Is Meghan a narcissist?

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I keep seeing these reels and social media smears on Meghan being a narcissist and abusive partner to Harry. She certainly doesn't seem overly popular with the royal family or understood the expectations of her as a royal when she married him.

I'm by no means a royalist or a fan of Megan's. But I'm the same age as Harry so always felt I could relate a little to him. I haven't read his book or watched the netflix docs.

The main thing that doesn't sit quite right for me is they wanted a 'private life' and then done anything but. Did Megan use Harry's desire for privacy to isolate him from his family and friends?

I understand what Muffinmam
is saying! I think Meghan probably, because none of us know for sure, arrived in the RF and took one look at the ridiculous hierarchies, petty feuds, all run on the notion that one section of society is to be respected and revered more than others based on wealth and status, and because she is someone who has always had to hustle and make her own way in life, and she always had autonomy, she didn’t really understand it all, it was completely alien to her, and she had the cajones to say it’s not for me.

It’s opening up now but for years British aristocracy was quite a white, insular, world, let’s just say. A small circle of people who inter-marry. Not to accuse individual members of the RF nowadays of being racist, but I think there are definitely elements of lingering racism within the institution. Make no mistake that it won’t have been easy for Meghan marrying in as an American, bi-racial actress. It’s quite a toxic set up I think with different offices set up to compete with one another in the PR stakes.

I reckon that there were probably lots of faults on both sides and it’s true that Harry wasn’t well housed in comparison with his alleged sex abuser uncle who is languishing in a property worth £30 million. He probably felt embarrassed in front of his wife.

I can’t say I particularly warm to her as a person but she’s a Californian celebrity fhs! Most of them have drunk the cool aid and waffle on about nothing! And a lot of her acting up on camera, the curtsey for example, are about her American audience. For that matter, I don’t think anyone should be curtseying in this century! She most likely couldn’t understand fully or give a toss about what Brits think and I don’t blame her really.

It’s not a crime to move abroad and then struggle. And she was pregnant for half of the time it was going wrong. And her father’s side of the family crept out of the woodwork. They and tons of journalists or pseudo royal correspondents have made tons of money off the back of exploiting her every move. So much negative rhetoric has been churned out endlessly about Meghan that it’s hard to approach this objectively, and I think we should be careful before giving her an armchair diagnosis. It’s quite possible we would all behave in a slightly unhinged way had we gone through the same thing.

And I don’t buy her supreme confidence. She’s an actress after all. I think she probably felt out of her depth most of the time and became controlling and rather defensive when she came up against opposition from the grey flunkies, or protocol she couldn’t understand. And was frustrated at the pace of decision-making. And she has acted her way through the furore and relied on her training while underneath she is winging it just as much as the next person!

Her mum seems like a very discreet and decent person who has negotiated all of this with grace. Meghan was a successful actress in a long running tv show who did charity work on the side before she met Harry. I think that is pretty much close to who she genuinely was, and still is, before the madness started. And I just don’t think she deserves this level of vitriol frankly, let alone mh labels!

On the contrary. I had a job in the past which involved meeting some people who were very much in the public eye, and many of them were completely unlike their public persona.

But they didn’t want to leave ! Meghan wanted the title . The DC have titles .
As far as houses - Nottingham Cottage was good enough for W, C and G before they moved . H and m were offered KP and refused it . They wanted Windsor castle . Frogmore isn’t exactly a hovel !

Also @Teeteringpiles555 , Meghan was offered help and support . The Late Queen suggested she keep on acting but no . She insisted on “ hitting the ground running” and messed up . Big style .

Teeteringpiles555 · Today 13:16
I reckon that there were probably lots of faults on both sides and it’s true that Harry wasn’t well housed in comparison with his alleged sex abuser uncle who is languishing in a property worth £30 million. He probably felt embarrassed in front of his wife.
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But important to remember that none of the RF move directly into huge mansions - Harry and Meghan had smaller grace and favour accommodation for less time than William who lived in the same Nottingham Cottage for 2-3 years and with Prince George as well

Andrew and Fergie lived in an apartment near Kensington Palace for several years after their 1986 wedding while their horrible McMansion (Sunninghill Park aka South York) was built and then moved into it in 1990. After the divorce Andrew purchased the 75 year lease on the Royal Lodge in 2004.

And weren't the Gloucesters moved out of their Kensington apartment to give a place for Harry and Meghan?

Regarding the housing situation; it’s a bit different for William because everyone knows that he will inherit a huge amount of money and status when he becomes King.

With Harry, his marriage was his only and main event. This was his pinnacle if you like. There was going to be nothing else coming for him except maybe an honorary title or medal here and there. They were an older couple who wanted dc straightaway, And, as I said previously, he saw that his Aunt and two Uncles are housed in enormously expensive estates.

I think H and M probably were impatient but I don’t think they were treated well by the RF. Charles certainly didn’t do for Harry what the Queen did for her dc, despite him amassing a huge fortune from the Duchy of Lancaster and from the accession itself.

Yes - Harry and Meghan were originally given Apartment 1 (21 rooms) at KP - the Gloucesters were moved out to make way (after 45 years) but Harry and Meghan turned it down because the (£5-10 million) renovations would take too long and it would not be available until 2020. They stated a wish to live at Windsor and were offered Frogmore Cottage where renovations had started and could be completed by 2019.

“Charles certainly didn’t do for Harry what the Queen did for her dc, despite him amassing a huge fortune from the Duchy of Lancaster and from the accession itself.”

In what way @Teeteringpiles555 ?
They were offered an apartment in KP . They were offered a place in Gloucestershire. Pretty decent !
Wedding wise they wanted Westminster Abbey or St Paul’s. Harry was only the grandchild of the Monarch so told no . St George’s was a perfectly acceptable venue for him , Eugenie and other DGC. The wedding cost in excess of £30 million .
Meghan bought a huge amount of clothes which Charles paid for .
What else could he have done ?

Yes and not let’s forget some that Sunninghill Park was bought by the son-in-law of the former president of Kazakhstan, in 2007 for £15 million. The sale was controversial because it was £3 million above the asking price and the property remained empty and disused for years before being demolished.

Is anyone remotely interested in what this person got out of his end of the deal?

Is anyone remotely interested in investigating?

No I guess he paid £3 million over the listed price out of the goodness of his heart?

You don't know that

Harry and Meghan were offered several properties that they turned down including the prestigious Apartment 1 at KP (larger than William and Kate's 1A) and Charles offered them a country estate in Herefordshire owned by the Duchy of Cornwall which they also turned down.

Presumably our sources of information are pretty much the same? How do you know what they were offered for that matter?

Harry himself said they were offered KP. PP was correct saying that the Gloucesters were moved out for them . Harry also said he asked the late Queen for Windsor Castle and was told no .

Money laundering plain and simple with Andrew getting a £3M bung
He was always getting backhanders

Just to add to @Lunde the Gloucesters were not booted out to house H&M, the Gloucesters chose to downsize to a smaller property in palace grounds that had been refurbished for them at a cost of £1M to the taxpayer

That's not true

The Gloucesters chose to downsize, see my post above. Unless everywhere that reported this is incorrect

I think it's entirely reasonable to observe patterns of behaviour, whether in word or deed, of a public person. Anyone who puts a lot of information out into the public, as the Duchess of Sussex does, is inviting that.

I do not think it is reasonable to diagnose conditions online - and that goes for both the Duchess of Sussex and the tendency on MN for posters to diagnose other posters' relatives whose behaviour they dislike.

I’d say we can’t tell and we can’t armchair diagnose.
She can come across a big grandiose but she also can come across as a genuinely nice person.
I wonder if she’s socially awkward in some ways and that gives people the idea that she’s a worse person than she actually is. As an example - the curtsying story. People took that to mean her mocking the queen. I took it to mean that she was telling an anecdote about something that felt absurd to her as she wasn’t used to it. Someone else could have told the same story and people would have accepted it.
I don’t know why people are obsessed with her. There are much worse people.

I think there are some words which still work fine in general use even though they have also been co-opted as definitions of a medical condition. So “I’m so depressed” does not necessarily mean I have a diagnosis of depression, “it was really traumatic” does not necessarily mean trauma as defined in psychiatry, “she’s really anxious about it” does not mean clinically diagnosed with anxiety. So I think it’s fine to express an opinion that Meghan is a narcissist. It’s not the same as diagnosing her with NPD. Same as you can call her a liar without diagnosing mythomania. It’s just an opinion based on her observed behaviour.

Difference with Andrew and Harry was at the time Andrew was the son of the monarch and Harry a grandchild.

Perhaps in time once Charles became monarch, Harry may have had an equally impressive home as his uncle.

However if Nottingham cottage was good enough for the heir (2nd in line) and his heir (3rd in line) , it should have been good enough for the sixth (?) in line.

If she wasn't with Harry you wouldn't be talking about her. Personally I have better things to get wound up by. I would rather "Live and let live." It's an alien concept in England and would rather make the same mistakes over again because they can't hear or learn.

Yeah that was definitely dodgy

The new house looks better than the Yorks' motel design though

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15162549/Meghan-Markle-cuts-stylish-figure-Paris-Fashion-Week-steps-Balenciaga-show.html

Oh dear. White wrap thing is the wrong shade of white/type of fabric to match rest of outfit. And why wear black shoes?! Fuck's sake, Markle. Sort yourself out.

Why can't she manage to dress herself?! Why?! 99% of people manage to put clothes on themselves that are appropriate and look OK. Why can't she manage it? It's not that hard!

I think this white outfit is awful.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html