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Fergie Epstein email

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elprup · 21/09/2025 08:48

Yet more damaging revelations for the Yorks. How did the Daily Mail manage to get hold of the email I wonder?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15118055/Fergie-Epstein-lies-exposed-bombshell-email-Andrew.html

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Letmeoutodhere · 25/09/2025 10:52

Also, she isn’t his wife or even his partner.

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 11:02

I have always said I do not understand why she pushes her way into all these royal events and why the royal family allow it
When a person gets divorced they tend to go on and make a new life for themselves not hang around like a bad smell
Imagine harry & Meghan divorcing and in 30 years time she is living on a 98 acre Royal estate!

We should not have to see Sarah at all, ever

Zippedydodah · 25/09/2025 11:10

jumpingthehighjump · 23/09/2025 20:34

Sarah?

I may sound mean but I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. You reap what you sow.
She has taken us for fools for decades. Harsh I know.

I couldn’t agree more, if you read Lownie’s book you’ll find out just how money-grabbing and greedy she, Andrew and the daughters are. It’s absolutely sickening reading of their grubby exploits and how much money and goods, including umpteen expensive holidays, they’ve had at no cost to themselves but frequently paid for by the British taxpayer.
must be laughing behind our backs at how gullible we are.
Revolting family.

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 11:18

Zippedydodah · 25/09/2025 11:10

I couldn’t agree more, if you read Lownie’s book you’ll find out just how money-grabbing and greedy she, Andrew and the daughters are. It’s absolutely sickening reading of their grubby exploits and how much money and goods, including umpteen expensive holidays, they’ve had at no cost to themselves but frequently paid for by the British taxpayer.
must be laughing behind our backs at how gullible we are.
Revolting family.

Absolutely!

I have read the book and it is actually far far more shocking than anyone could ever begin to imagine

She is deplorable and how she has been able to leech off of us for all these decades I do not know. Because you can't tell me she pays the bills on the Royal estate she lives on

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 11:21

Letmeoutodhere · 25/09/2025 10:51

So Andrew should be placated at all costs? A man who consorted with criminals and a sex trafficker? In that case the RF are rotten to the core.

I don't imagine any of us think he should be placated, Letmeoutodhere; it's more that we can see he IS being, and while we may never actually know why, opinions will differ on likely reasons for that

It's not even as if he's just made a couple of silly mistakes. With the extent of what he's been involved in - and without any suggestion of regret - it seems to me the only two possibilities are that Charles is an utter fool or that there are matters he'd rather not have revealed

deeahgwitch · 25/09/2025 11:45

Letmeoutodhere · 25/09/2025 03:45

In relation to the Yorks, one thing Charles certainly can do is stop that odious woman from attending Royal
events. It was obviously him who has allowed her back into the fold. She was never invited to Sandringham or Balmoral when the Queen was alive. She’s not his partner or wife. I just don’t understand why she’s there at all.

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I agree with you @Letmeoutodhere
And don’t tell me the daughters don’t know what went/is going on with their parents.

LidlAmaretto · 25/09/2025 13:14

BemusedAmerican · 24/09/2025 20:55

It looks like all of those contracts were signed under Charles and William inherited them. I read an article where he was trying to make changes and was getting pushback. He now has a new manager so many be getting more buy-in.

Previous posters brought out the fact that he is legally obligated to run the Duchy to make a profit.

Funny, I wonder how the Royal Family are bound by cast iron contracts that not only obligate them to charge market rents like a private company but also obligate them not to behave like a private company when it comes to them coughing up corporation tax or to publish any accounts? Heads I win, tails you lose it seems when it comes to the taxpayer.
Where do they think the money for homeless shelters, environmental projects, early years education and mental health support comes from while they are avoiding tax? From their 10 minute hand shaking exercises once every few months?

PersilPower · 25/09/2025 13:27

The silence from KC is deafening (and speaks volumes). Never explain and all that.

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 13:32

PersilPower · 25/09/2025 13:27

The silence from KC is deafening (and speaks volumes). Never explain and all that.

Yep. Andrew's brother, the King, says not a word. But Harry, his nephew, who lives thousands of miles away and isn't a working member of the RF, is expected to talk about Andrew?
If I was H I would be thinking, you've allowed my shitty uncle to behave like this for decades, it's down to you, I won't be your scapegoat speaking out

PersilPower · 25/09/2025 13:40

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 13:32

Yep. Andrew's brother, the King, says not a word. But Harry, his nephew, who lives thousands of miles away and isn't a working member of the RF, is expected to talk about Andrew?
If I was H I would be thinking, you've allowed my shitty uncle to behave like this for decades, it's down to you, I won't be your scapegoat speaking out

Don’t believe I mentioned Harry as this thread is about Sarah and I would suggest by default her husband. I couldn’t care less if Harry discussed them or not.

KC has a duty due to the nature of his role and status IMO. Quite frankly, how any of the working royals can look those working with children’s charities or the children themselves in the eye flabbergasts me. To not speak out and continue that role is reprehensible.

PersilPower · 25/09/2025 13:42

And I say that as someone who works for a children’s charity whose patron is Camilla

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 13:44

These threads are awash with people saying Harry should have said something but I totally agree with your second paragraph. Apologies bringing him up

I think it is a Charles dereliction of duty somewhat, and the longer it goes on the worse it looks

PersilPower · 25/09/2025 13:48

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 13:44

These threads are awash with people saying Harry should have said something but I totally agree with your second paragraph. Apologies bringing him up

I think it is a Charles dereliction of duty somewhat, and the longer it goes on the worse it looks

Don’t apologise. I didn’t want the point being lost that I’m just so angry right now. We work with the most vulnerable of children; many of whom are victims of SA. It just feels so goddamn inappropriate to say zilch, not acknowledge it, nada.

Thedom · 25/09/2025 13:56

Considering Harry thought a lipgloss incident with his sister in law was worthy of exposing, you do have to wonder why he didn’t touch on the biggest scandal for years in his own family.

It does beg the question if he needed to steer clear of that, plenty of whispers about Meghans circle, we know she was friends with Eugenie, there is also some connection between Misha Nonoo and Epstein, through Katherine Keating (daughter of Ex Australian PM) who was also friends with Eugenie and Prince Andrew.

It’s a very murky world how they are all connected in some way.

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 13:56

@PersilPower
I totally agree.
They do what they've done for a century, never explain. Stick their heads in the sand. Hope it all goes away. Don't address anything.

jumpingthehighjump · 25/09/2025 14:00

I am puzzled by it. It is obvious from any forum newspaper, footage... the pair of them are despised by the British public

What kudos if Charles was to suddenly be firm and take action. But no. They just carry on like nothing is happening
I can only imagine Andrew has kompromat on them all

justasking111 · 25/09/2025 14:30

Did anyone see the program about landlords was on the duchy I think. Omg the state of the rentals, black mould etc. the tenants a few agreed to let journalists, photographer in if they could remain anonymous.

I'd naively thought that the royals would set the example for good landlords.

Where were the councils, councillors, MPs, they should have backed the tenants insisting that the landlord made things right.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 14:30

I think it is a Charles dereliction of duty somewhat, and the longer it goes on the worse it looks

Precisely, @jumpingthehighjump; god help us but he's the head of this institution, and if he can't or won't act accordingly then he'll be rightly judged for that

As others have said though, preserving the institution comes before all else, and with unfortunate personalities that can easily translate into preserving themselves instead ... as we appear to be seeing now

the state of the rentals, black mould etc. the tenants a few agreed to let journalists, photographer in if they could remain anonymous

Edited to add that's interesting, @justasking111
I didn't see the programme but usually they manage to drag out some tenant who'll insist how wonderful they all are, but perhaps those with an alternative view daren't be named so largely keep their heads down?

LidlAmaretto · 25/09/2025 14:31

Thedom · 25/09/2025 13:56

Considering Harry thought a lipgloss incident with his sister in law was worthy of exposing, you do have to wonder why he didn’t touch on the biggest scandal for years in his own family.

It does beg the question if he needed to steer clear of that, plenty of whispers about Meghans circle, we know she was friends with Eugenie, there is also some connection between Misha Nonoo and Epstein, through Katherine Keating (daughter of Ex Australian PM) who was also friends with Eugenie and Prince Andrew.

It’s a very murky world how they are all connected in some way.

Harry doesn't want to bring down the RF. He wants them to enjoy even more privilege and protection than they have now, To not have to throw the minor Royals to the press to keep the attack dogs away from the seniors. He wants them all to be able to do what they like without even the minor and qualified level of scrutiny they get now. And not just in the UK but in countries who kicked his family out and are managing somehow to survive being the most powerful country on earth.

The only difference between Harry and the rest of them is that he was stupid enough to say so in public. Hes not going to ask questions about anything that is going to risk bringing the whole house of cards down.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 25/09/2025 14:33

Yep. Andrew's brother, the King, says not a word. But Harry, his nephew, who lives thousands of miles away and isn't a working member of the RF, is expected to talk about Andrew?

Harry is expected to talk about Andrew because that’s his MO, he talks, moans, complains through various interviews, books etc. about his woe is me royal life, his awful relatives, William got the biggest sausage blah blah blah, yet his rather sinister Uncle, tumbleweed, and on top of that he even threatened to sue over claims he had a physical altercation with Andrew because he said nasty things about Meghan, claiming it did not happen, bizarre behaviour when must people would understand Harry or anyone wanting to give Andrew a slap, put that together with Meghan apparently thinking Andrew was a handbag holder for the Queen despite being besties with Eugenie and it does make one wonder why the deafening silence on his behalf. If he had just moved to California without all the shenanigans of the tell all to anyone who will listen road, then no one would expect him to say anything on the matter.

justasking111 · 25/09/2025 14:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 14:30

I think it is a Charles dereliction of duty somewhat, and the longer it goes on the worse it looks

Precisely, @jumpingthehighjump; god help us but he's the head of this institution, and if he can't or won't act accordingly then he'll be rightly judged for that

As others have said though, preserving the institution comes before all else, and with unfortunate personalities that can easily translate into preserving themselves instead ... as we appear to be seeing now

the state of the rentals, black mould etc. the tenants a few agreed to let journalists, photographer in if they could remain anonymous

Edited to add that's interesting, @justasking111
I didn't see the programme but usually they manage to drag out some tenant who'll insist how wonderful they all are, but perhaps those with an alternative view daren't be named so largely keep their heads down?

Edited

"Prince William to 'upgrade estate' featuring mouldy rental homes" https://www.landlordzone.co.uk/news/prince-william-to-upgrade-estate-featuring-mouldy-rental-homes

I don't blame William he was new to the task. But Charlie blithely saying that it was a responsibility he took seriously and other Uber rich people should create villages. He had Westminster hanging on his every word at the time.

Prince William to 'upgrade estate' featuring mouldy rental homes

Prince William has promised to upgrade the private rental properties he rents out via the Duchy of Cornwall after reports over the weekend.

https://www.landlordzone.co.uk/news/prince-william-to-upgrade-estate-featuring-mouldy-rental-homes

inamo · 25/09/2025 14:43

Harry, despite all his faults and his big mouth etc. is the only one of the lot of them I have any time for. And I don't really care about him at all, but in the spirit of the RF sagas well.... He was the only one who had the balls to get out and live some kind of a normal life, such as it is with privilege and wealth (and good weather!) and so on.

As for the rest of them, they are way beyond their sell by date now. KC to me, appears to be terrified to lift the lid on anything. I'd say he's shitting himself at the thought of the edifice crumbling and perhaps being implicated himself.

He could lose the rag and do something drastic. I think I recall a spot or two of devilish temper with pens at his ascension to the Throne. He has it in him but it's probably just too much to contemplate right now. We can excuse him somewhat due to his illness, but he looks OK to me (I know looks can be deceiving), and plenty of cancer sufferers continue their lives during and after treatment. He is only 76, which is not ancient by today's standards, and his life of privilege has helped him age well (apart from the cancer).

So let's see who's left to serve when W takes over. Himself and the missus, Anne ( if she is well and hearty enough), Eddie and Sophie. That'll be some slimmed down monarchy alright, but not by planning, just because they are all that's left! Unless I've forgotten a bunch of unknowns. The Wales kids might be old enough to cut a ribbon or two also by that time, but if they have any sense they'll go off and do a gap twenty years and never come back.

justasking111 · 25/09/2025 14:45

This book about Andrew Fergie I haven't read. But wonder if their daughters haven't drawn a line by living abroad so they're not dragged in.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 25/09/2025 14:46

💯 agree.
I hope he enjoys the shit show from afar.
Charles and Harry's meeting was nice to see, hopefully it wasn't a distraction tactic to cover Randy Andy and Fergie's shit show.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 14:52

I don't blame William he was new to the task. But Charlie blithely saying that it was a responsibility he took seriously and other Uber rich people should create villages. He had Westminster hanging on his every word at the time

Quite, @justasking111, and after all Charles had over 50 years as head of the Duchy of Cornwall to sort this out Hmm

Harry is expected to talk about Andrew because that’s his MO, he talks, moans, complains through various interviews, books etc. about his woe is me royal life ...

Also agree with this, @BigWillyLittleTodger, but as LidlAmaretto correctly pointed out the real difference is that Harry blasts so much into the public domain and Andrew doesn't ... which appears to be what really matters to the RF

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