Fergie Epstein email

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Yet more damaging revelations for the Yorks. How did the Daily Mail manage to get hold of the email I wonder?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15118055/Fergie-Epstein-lies-exposed-bombshell-email-Andrew.html

I have never been able to watch the actual interview, I watched the dramatisation with Michael Sheen instead. Even when they tried to make him a sympathetic figure they failed!

Whilst I don't agree Harry and Andrew are in anyway similar, it is rewriting history to claim he left because of Andrew. He was very clear that he wanted to combine making money with serving as a working royal and the late Queen said no so he left. He is probably happier out of the family but again nothing to do with Andrew.

Theoretically speaking, who would be responsible if say a member of the RF killed someone unlawfully on one of their private properties? Who would investigate? Who would involve the police? We are automatically trusting that they would behave with integrity and it’s not good enough in 2025!

Given the fact the police can't enter royal properties without the sovereign's permission and given the mystery over the illegal shooting of a pair of protected birds of prey we'll just have to hope there's never a royal whodunnit.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/07/monarchy.wildlife

You'll be accused now of comparing a couple of birds to what Andrew's done, @CathyorClaire , but fortunately some of us can see that you're talking of the overall principle ... and you're not wrong

Arm yourself with a couple of drinks and be brave enough to watch the interview, @MrsLeonFarrell - trust me, it's worth it!!

Failing that there's always this:

“I took the decision that I had to show leadership,” he [Andrew] boasted to Emily Maitlis, “and I had to go and tell him: that’s it.”

Dim witted but honourable sleaze bucket 🤓

It's funny how the female spouses are always hung out to dry. Human shields for the precious lineage.

Fergie knows Epstein through Andrew and if she was getting cash, so was he. Fergie probably hasn't nonced any trafficked American teens. Fergie probably hasn't been on any arranged Thailand noncing trips(hopefully just noncing not paedoing). Fergie hasn't introduced any Chinese spies to the Queen. And so much more.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more royal males (it's not the women who do the raping, why is Ghislaine Maxwell the only one in prison) who had a connection with Epstein and he had video on.

Thanks for this.

Not good.

I am particularly upset to hear Guys & St Thomas's Trust is paying over 11 massive million to park its electric Ambulances, which I assume are electric in part to help them save money!! Myself and other members of my family have severe autoimmune and allergy issues and rely on the expertise of immunologists at G&STT. They have saved my nephew's life after he had two anaphylactic episodes as a toddler and tested him to uncover other allergies.

Many people travel from all over the country to go there. The treatment they'd like to give they often cannot, or more accurately, they have to restrict the amount of patients they can put forward for specialist treatment due to funding. The amount of times I have sworn if I won the Euro mills, they would be the first place that I give millions to for research, I'd love to help them.

I am usually broadly supportive of the principle of Royalty, corruption occurs with republics too, but it's almost like the House of Windsor want to go out with the Dodo and are on a suicide mission or something. Why can't they see that things like this are obviously going to be bad optics?

The same as allowing your Epstein connected brother (which is a hot issue even involving the President of America) and his ex-wife to be chauffeured to a high profile funeral, and allowing them to stand at the front, right next to the heir apparent, inviting a PR disaster when PA is caught on camera attempting to converse with him without any reserve whatsoever (I mean of course he would try to hijack the occasion to converse with the future king on camera thus indicating to the the world that he is still 'in' the circle, still a personage of clout) thus allowing people on the outside to assume that his behaviour is quite well tolerated by the family and they are all cosy. Putting William in a position?

Doesn't anyone with practical sense advise these people? Perhaps there's a secret attempt to sabotage them from the inside, because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

I think one thing the Sussexes and the Yorks have in common has been the focus on personal enrichment, rather than Royal duty, and this is I believe the main reason why people have taken against them.

Meghan Markle was never interested in the Princess role except as it pertained to her own personal advancement. The monarchy had simply been a vehicle for personal enrichment. She flounced off to America after a very short period of time determined to never set foot in the UK 🇬🇧 again!! Despite that she proclaims and exploits her royal title “I’m a Sussex now you know“. Even the Marie Antoinette style hostessing shows illustrate this misunderstanding. Rather than retire as a private citizen, she has constantly used her royal title simply as a way to make as much money as possible as she’s always been an “entrepreneur”. The rest of the title means absolutely nothing to her. It’s astonishing ignorance and entitlement really.

Fergie also did similar, in terms of her focus on money, once she became a non-working royal. However, at least she did not trash the monarchy, move countries, and call the UK people racist.

Although Harry is always proclaiming his royal status, the only thing he does now is Invictus once every two years the rest of the time it’s various lawsuits, demands for paid security and polo playing. At least Prince Andrew took his role in the Navy seriously.

Being a member of the royal family does give you certain privileges and entitlements, but you have to do something in return. If you want to retire as a private citizen, like Viscount Linley with his upmarket furniture business, as they need to make a living, that’s all well and good if you do this quietly and away from the main stage. Even Edward and Mrs Simpson retired to live a quiet life in France.

I believe it’s the vulgarity of using your royal status only for your own personal enrichment that sticks in the craw. People will forgive many flaws if you respect your own responsibility to your country. Ironically, their whole Royal status was cheapened in the process. The mystique and respect goes out the window pretty much. As the Markles have found out in California, where no one much bothers with them now. The “free lunch” is now just an up market burger bar in Montecito.

turns up, shakes hands, chats, appears interested and back to Windsor. the good news is we neednt concern ourselves with any of this as its all well above our paygrades and short of a revolution (which wont be allowed) nothing will change because the RF have control of the narrative.

I believe it’s the vulgarity of using your royal status only for your own personal enrichment that sticks in the craw.

Particularly with Prince Andrew ,I think it's more than that. He sold the respectability of royal connection to people who were basically crooks.

Yes - the “crook” element is one further step along that road. Fergie’s meeting with the Sheik to get £500,000 was also dodgy - but so unhinged in a way you have to wonder was it mental or just total desperation for money, both I guess (when you are already well off). The Queen and her corgis seem like halcyon days by comparison. (Of course there are a few royals who do carry out their royal duties with what seems genuine intent and commitment like Princess Anne, although didn’t her dangerous bull terriers attack and injure two boys in the park and she got a criminal record for her trouble - disclosure - I hate all these dangerous dogs we have in this country now and it’s disappointing to see the royals endorsing this trend.)

Maybe one day. It can only lower my opinion of him.

@BadDinner There is an Act of Parliament (I believe called something like Duchy of Cornwall Management Act, but haven't looked that up) that requires the Duchy to charge market rents.

Prince William has been reviewing rents since he became Prince of Wales
https://archive.is/WG7YC

I don’t understand how they get people to work for them. The salaries are very poor, definitely not competitive with similar roles in non royal households. If you’re live-in and you get sacked, you’re left with nothing. People who worked for them their whole lives get turfed out of their tied houses with very little notice or financial assistance. And depending on which one of these fuck-ups you serve you get shouted at abusively for putting stuffed toys in the wrong formation.

They really are different in such a dysfunctional way. I think William and Harry both realised this. As did Anne.

Kudos. Working for the UK royal family can lead to far more lucrative jobs, especially overseas.

Yep it's a CV bonus

Anyone who's seen Upstairs Downstairs or Downton will see how servants think of themselves as part of the family, even though they patently are not

I am usually broadly supportive of the principle of Royalty, corruption occurs with republics too, but it's almost like the House of Windsor want to go out with the Dodo and are on a suicide mission or something. Why can't they see that things like this are obviously going to be bad optics?

It's entirely possible they can, @Baddinner, but that what Andrew might reveal if pushed too far could be infinitely worse

How TF have the ruling family of the country got to a stage where the secrets a member of the family could reveal are worse than him consorting with paedophiles and spies and getting decidedly dodgy characters to pay off their debts?

The pair of them on the steps of the church gurning away like it was a cocktail party was gross, the pair of them have no social awareness or emotional intelligence at all, if they had they would either have not joined the congregation on the steps at all or at the very least have stayed in the background not laughing like drains, you could tell Andrew in particular was puffing his chest out at being front and centre and in close proximity to the King and William, it was clear how uncomfortable William was I bet he was seething inside. I think if Charles doesn’t banish this pair to an uninhabited island in the Outer Hebrides William will.

It turned me and I’m no royalist but the Duchess of Kent really does seem to have been a lovely person and to see him puffing about like a dog with two dicks was just offensive.

One thing I’ve always wondered about Sarah is she has been bankrupt or in debt for millions of pounds pretty much ever since she married Andrew, what on earth does she spend vast sums of money on? She doesn’t have to pay to run a home, as far as I know she doesn’t have a fleet of Ferraris nor is she dripping in diamonds, does she bathe in liquid gold or something?

Reported / quoted in DM today (from Lownie’s book):

“Rumours had long been circulating in Fleet Street about her introduction services. The News of World had only begun investigating the duchess after learning about Sarah "cashing in on knowing Andrew by setting up deals with foreign businessmen”.
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According to the paper, Fergie would 'lure' business men to ‘make money from Andrew’s unpaid role as the Government UK Special Representative for International Trade and Investment’ and through that she would help set up meeting
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After the meeting she rang the reporter/ businessman. "I spoke to Billy and Billy is happy to meet with him but (he) has to know for Billy to meet with him … he has to give me £500,000",' Lownie wrote.
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Demanding £500,000 be wired to her HSBC bank account, she told the reporter: "That opens up everything you would ever wish for. I can open any door you want". Fergie said she could put business men in touch with "the most amazing people" who Andrew met in his role as special representative.
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'She also insisted on a one percent commission on any deals struck through her royal connections to go to a charity set up to build schools in Asia.

(ps. Billy denied all knowledge of this …. )

It’s pretty 😮 😮 … just what were they thinking … 🤔 .

Yes Mrs Kent as she like to be called was genuinely a lovely woman, it’s awful that the gruesome twosome thought this was a great opportunity to push themselves to the front beaming away.