Trump State Visit

[MrsLeonFarrell]

A space for thoughts.

My first is that being at Windsor might make it easier to host a foreign leader. Which then begs the question as to whether in the modern age we really need Buckingham Palace. None of the royals like living there and I bet you'd make a fortune hiring it out for events and tourists.

Whilst i find Catherine's coat dresses a little boring it makes sense to have a sort of uniform.

I'm not sure. Think of people you know who have cross cultural marriages, many of those I know speak about how, even years later, unconscious cultural expectations can cause issues. This is the same but on speed with the press watching like vultures for every mistake. I don't think Meghan is massively teachable but I do believe she was thrust into a situation she was not prepared for and her husband should have helped her.

I think they are both as bad as each other. I don’t think Harry was willing to explain the whole situation to her because he was so desperate for her to say yes to him, and also because I don’t think it occurred to him that someone wouldn’t understand his way of life without it being spelled out to them. On the other hand, even if he had insisted on spelling it out, Meghan thought she knew better and would be able to persuade the entire institution to bend to her will. And she wasn’t prepared to accept the help that was offered from many quarters when it became obvious that she didn’t really know what she was in for 🤷‍♀️

There is also evidence that Harry didn't really understand his own family and it's rules. I agree Meghan should have accepted help, that is on her.

I believe, at the time of Orprah, she genuinely didn't understand why her children didn't get titles straight away.

They did get titles straight away.

Exactly . But not the titles they wanted !

Sorry yes, they did get titled, they didn't get a specific title

Well no. But anyone with even a basic knowledge of these things will easily understand why. If any of us here knew they wouldn't be Prince or Princess, then why didn't Meghan? She may not be the 'whip smart' person some of her fans make her out to be, but she can't be that dim, can she? 2 minutes with Prof. Google would have told her all she needed to know.

If she 'genuinely didn't understand' she must be extraordinarily lacking in curiosity, even about something so clearly important to her.

There are only 2 possible explanations: either they’re both unbelievably stupid or they’re both lying.

Tbf it could be either!

Or she understood the situation perfectly well but deliberately and dishonestly stirred the pot in the Oprah interview for reasons best known to her. I’m guessing probably common or garden spite, along with revenge for not being allowed HIHO, not being begged to stay, not being acknowledged as better than the others. Oh, and a desire for headlines.

That’s the only plausible explanation. And the fact that Harry and Meghan really stuck the knife in to Catherine either directly or through their mouthpiece, Scobie, can’t have been motivated by anything but bitchy spite. Horrible. Talk about a soft target for your attack!

And then sitting back and watching while the press played hunt the royal racist. This was a month before the DoE died. So that’s what the Queen had to do in the last month of his life, handle the fallout from her grandson and his wife publicly accusing the family of racism. Then they accepted an award for their brave stand against structural racism within the Royal Family. And then denied they had ever described such a thing, 18 months later. It was all a dream the Briddish press apparently. What grade A scumbag behaviour, absolutely despicable.

I'd forgotten that award @NormaMajors1992coat - there's so much they've done to harm the RF when you look back.

A and F are shit too, but the continual attempts to deliberately harm people they are supposed to care about, by M and H, can never be forgiven.

potato / potarto

Harry made no comment on Andrew in Spare, despite making plenty of complaints about other family members.

Did he comment on Edward?

Harry threatened legal action against Andrew Lownie for including in his book that he (Harry) punched Andrew.

If I was accused of punching someone and I hadn’t done it, I’d be objecting strongly too.

Why would he comment about Edward ?

Goodness me, what has Edward done in the last 3? decades other than turn up, show a decent level of interest in whatever he is visiting (according to those I know who met him), smile and wave, and generally be a good representative of a constitutional monarchy?

He made some youthful mistakes, years ago, but there seems very little dirt to dish in Harry's lifetime

Like Anne. But unlike Andrew!

It really is odd that they are silent on the subject of Andrew, it seems like such an easy win compared to their other more popular targets. And when you have been so vocal in your petty criticism of people who have done nothing worse than make the wrong face as they lent a lip gloss, or go home to their postpartum wife and new baby instead of staying up late, to ignore Andrew and his many actual misdeeds does look like they condone his behaviour. Didn’t someone once say the only wrong thing is to say nothing? 😬

@NormaMajors1992coat

I agree - there are a lot of things which don't compute about this!

• pps claim that the RF knew all about Andrew and his appalling behaviour over many years
• Harry was in the RF for almost 40 years. Ergo, Harry must have known about Andrew....
• he RF keep schtumm about everything and wait out the storm - it's their policy
• Harry does not keep schtumm. He writes a whingey book, makes a NF documentary and gives several defamatory interviews targeting...yes, of all people, his sister-in-law and to a lesser extent his brother and his father. (He makes sure he sucks up to the Queen.) He does not at any time have any criticism of his revolting uncle and aunt, but manages to (temporarily, I hope) destroy the character of his SIL and to some extent, his brother and father. What a little charmer.

What is Harry's game, I'd like to know? It's pretty obvious what his game is, but some people want to believe what they want to believe.

All I can think is that Harry does what’s best for Harry (or at least what he thinks is best). So for some reason there is either personal advantage in staying quiet or potential personal detriment to speaking out.

I think both Harry and Meghan are utterly selfish and self seeking in everything they do.

And more than that - cruel and spiteful in the extreme.