Trump State Visit

[MrsLeonFarrell]

A space for thoughts.

My first is that being at Windsor might make it easier to host a foreign leader. Which then begs the question as to whether in the modern age we really need Buckingham Palace. None of the royals like living there and I bet you'd make a fortune hiring it out for events and tourists.

Whilst i find Catherine's coat dresses a little boring it makes sense to have a sort of uniform.

Agreed. It’s just such a different approach to the other members of his family whom he has criticised for such non reasons. He’ll have a go at William for going home to his postpartum wife and new baby on the eve of Harry’s wedding, but when there’s actually a royal relative with something worthy of criticism, not a peep. Except as a PP mentioned, denying that story that they fell out over Meghan and fought 👀👀

No not really. I think the RF need to get up to speed with a bit of honesty and integrity.

No worries.

Don’t know about that, they mix and financially benefit from all sorts of shady people,

Tyler Perry, accused of and rumoured to be a sexual predator, a Russian oligarch with ties to Kremlin money, accepting and enjoying hospitality from corrupt governments. Best buddies with Oprah, who has/had friendships with some very dubious characters. Some very unsavory rumours about Oprah herself doing the rounds for a long time now.

As I said on another thread, William and Catherine, and Princess Anne, seem to be the only ones who appear to be squeaky clean.

Harry and Meghan could possibly end up the Andrew and Sarah of this generation.

Harry and Meghan could possibly end up the Andrew and Sarah of this generation

You I think that if you want

I do not think there is any comparison in a million years

They definitely have been monetizing friendships with some unsavory characters, thats undeniable.

Tyler Perry, accused of and rumoured to be a sexual predator, a Russian oligarch with ties to Kremlin money, accepting and enjoying hospitality from corrupt governments. Best buddies with Oprah, who has/had friendships with some very dubious characters. Some very unsavory rumours about Oprah herself doing the rounds for a long time now.

Yep, they aren’t so squeaky clean themselves, not in Andrew’s league but they certainly have their fingers in the trough with some shady characters.

Lets see how things pan out over the same time period of Andrew annd Fergie, it’s early days for Meghan and Harry.

There was also the blood diamond earrings as well she was so fond of.

As her spokespeople conceded, Meghan certainly knew the identity of the tyrant who had paid for the earrings when she wore them at the Fiji state dinner. At that time, she might not have known the macabre detail that MBS’s hit squad had brought along a bone-saw and disposal bags to cut up Khashoggi’s body while it was still warm. But that horrible truth soon emerged to widespread publicity, and it had certainly been published with other grisly details well before November 14, 2018 — when Meghan decided to wear the earrings for a second time at the dinner to celebrate Prince Charles’s 70th birthday in London.

But it nearly always is. They very rarely do reactions or statements.

It will be interesting.

They certainly haven't been careful with their company since they left the UK, as above.

There are lots of questions about Harry's charities, including in relation to USAID money. (There is also the Africa Parks issue.)

That is without any earlier indiscretions.

Used to like Oprah a long time ago. LIke a giant ego on legs now.

It is quite amusing to see the vehement defense...and yet facts are pesky things.

H claimed in Spare M did not know the "purse-holder" yet lawyers for Virginia seem to believe M could be a witness and said so in print.

No denials from the usually vocal H&M to date.

The uncomfortable fact that is never mentioned - that the Duchess of Sussex was also in those circles

It would be nice to think the royal family were protecting her as opposed to throwing her under a bus as theyve done for years, to divert away from what they all get up to

Maybe they tried to protect her, but she wouldn't take advice? From those Men In Grey Suits that H objected to?

Actually, I hadn’t thought about that but you’re right - considering what Harry has put out there, and the people he’s been happy to hurt and damage, his absolute silence on his Uncle Andrew is very strange indeed.

I mean - if you want to believe he’s some kind of moral, anti-corruption, anti-royal crusader (rather than an entitled whinger who thinks he wasn’t privileged ENOUGH) then surely the appalling Andrew and Fergie should have been top of his list?

His reticence regarding them is odd indeed.

Non sequitur.

Not odd at all. He's a royal hot potato. And given his two brothers one of whom is the king and his sister don't speak out, why should a nephew

Well, exactly- the RF don’t normally speak out, but the point is Harry most certainly does!

Yet not a dickie bird about the ghastly uncle. Instead - spite directed at his hapless SIL (to whom he was once so close) and father and brother.

He doesn't have to speak out on Andrew if he didn't want to.
Let those who should, do it
They choose not to
He chose not to
Wise

But very strange in the circumstances. If he wanted to expose the RF (which I don’t think he did - he’s not clever enough or un-self-centred enough to have a clear, coherent, political objective) then this pair of outrageous throwbacks to the Ancien Regime would surely have been his prime target.

But instead he and his wife try to make out that Catherine and KC are racists on zilch evidence. And the rest…

It’s not a good look whichever view you take.

Yes very wise considering the dodgy characters he mixes with himself, best keep the focus on Andrew.

I think he was very sensible on this
We won't agree

I don't think the palace threw Meghan under the bus. I don't think Meghan ever understood how monarchy, politics, culture and societal expectations collide to create the weirdness that is life as a working member of the royal family. Her advisers were all Americans, agents, lawyers, friends etc and so didn't get it either. She rejected all the very experienced people the late Queen offered her.

The one person who would have been able to explain that she wasn't joining the A list she was joining a hierarchical institution apparently was too frightened of scaring her off like his previous girlfriends and so said nothing. So Meghan was left high and dry with her expectations and I believe, at the time of Orprah, she genuinely didn't understand why her children didn't get titles straight away.

If Meghan was thrown under a bus, Harry threw her.

I think if she’d used the slightest bit of sense she could have worked it out for herself . She didnt want to know.