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Everyonesawher · 16/09/2025 08:45

W & H both attended the funeral / memorial for their uncle - Robert Fellows? The DH of one of Diana’s sisters a while back so this type of situation has already happened.

Is the funeral private? Maybe MM put out the fugly photo on spite once he said he was staying on.

I do hope he attends from a personal and family perspective - having lived through unwanted estrangement myself it’s these sorts of controlled environments which are important stepping stones to reconciliation. Not to be best buddies again, or for slugging over he said, she said - but to just take the stress off the whole family who will all be hurting by carrying this situation. New boundaries just to be polite, civil, dignified when in the same space. They have also done this at PP funeral, the jubilee, HMTLQ funeral, Diana statue etc. I think it comes down to the specific event and if the host can deal with the distraction from media speculation and intrusion or not (eg Duke of Westminster chose not to)

ThePoshUns · 16/09/2025 08:46

Mylovelygreendress · 16/09/2025 08:21

I think the fact that the DOK was supportive to his mother made it seem likely H would attend .

I don’t think Harry has any loyalty to anyone in his family so why her?

diddl · 16/09/2025 08:49

If he went I'm not sure if he would be there to genuinely pay his respects or as a PR stunt.

Godspeedbonnielass · 16/09/2025 08:50

bluegreygreen · 15/09/2025 15:10

For those who think Harry should be welcomed back to life as a working Royal: do you think any government would find it easy to depend on his services?

After this visit, the prince disappears. His car heads off away from the convoy for about an hour and when he returns to the group, he is coy and tight-lipped.
The suspicion is that he has gone to meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but neither he nor the president wants to admit it.
Zelenskyy is a champion of the Invictus Games and had made it known he wanted to meet the prince. The British government had made it known to Zelenskyy it would rather he did not.

Guardian Kyiv interview

Reminds me of that caught of camera moment at the last Invictus Games, of someone from the Ukraine team slipping something into Harry's hand. He's meddling where he doesn't belong.

My2cents1975 · 16/09/2025 08:58

IMHO, the family that are bereaved are the ones whose bereavement should be respected. A funeral is not an "opportunity" for H.

The Duke of Kent and his wife watched as H did the following:
-H did not invite their kids to his wedding but invited celebrities he did not know and had never met
-H attacked their dear cousin QE2's legacy...literally editing her words for their Netflix reality show
-H remained silent while his rabid fanbase attacked their dear niece (Lady Gabriella) when she lost her husband to suicide. I will not repeat their lurid, vile, demented narrative.

Why on earth would the Kents want H present in their moment of grief? They would want to be surrounded by those who love and cherish them in words and deeds.

Tubestrike · 16/09/2025 09:04

I can't think of anything worse than having an estranged member of the family present and having to force myself to be 'nice' when I am in the depths of grief. A funeral is the last place I would choose for a forced reconciliation.

Everyonesawher · 16/09/2025 09:06

He doesn’t want to come back to become an active working Royal - he is trying to engineer the HIHO situation from which he can bask in the royal glow - solely to build his and his wife’s brands in the US to make $$$$$$.

I suggest they have done the math or NF are leaning on them to come up with the goods and remind the US public they are royal - interesting that the ‘exclusive’ in the US was given to a Sussex friendly media outlet Ustoday - which had an awful lot of very intimate details about the emotional reunion of KC3 and PH. The details are most likely very embellished / made up to drive PH brand - but would 100% been signed off by him. The ‘priority for the next year’ to concentrate on KC3 is IMHO less about his health and more about H&M rapidly closing window of opportunity to exploit their royal association for $$$$$ as their income steam simultaneously plummets.

Needspaceforlego · 16/09/2025 09:13

My2cents1975 · 16/09/2025 08:58

IMHO, the family that are bereaved are the ones whose bereavement should be respected. A funeral is not an "opportunity" for H.

The Duke of Kent and his wife watched as H did the following:
-H did not invite their kids to his wedding but invited celebrities he did not know and had never met
-H attacked their dear cousin QE2's legacy...literally editing her words for their Netflix reality show
-H remained silent while his rabid fanbase attacked their dear niece (Lady Gabriella) when she lost her husband to suicide. I will not repeat their lurid, vile, demented narrative.

Why on earth would the Kents want H present in their moment of grief? They would want to be surrounded by those who love and cherish them in words and deeds.

Exactly its not going to be like Joe down the roads funeral where anyone can turn up it will be invites only and security.

I can't see why they'd invite him.

Mylovelygreendress · 16/09/2025 09:24

@My2cents1975

i didn’t know about the attacks on Gabriella . Words fail me .

Mildorado · 16/09/2025 09:29

@Everyonesawher excellent points 👍

Mildorado · 16/09/2025 09:30

I didn't know about the attacks on Gabriella. How vile.

Godspeedbonnielass · 16/09/2025 09:33

The Vintage Read has an interesting take on the "concentrating on KCIII for the next year" comment. She's usually pretty well researched, so what she says is always well informed and she looks outside the box of the usual media spin, which I like. She thinks they've struck a diary/media deal, which started with that meeting between Harry's PR and Tobin Andre and that snapshot on the balcony. The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games. Charles's health might well be a big red herring. When he said "focus on my father for the next year", he was parroting a PR arrangement and nothing more.

Of course, Harry flapping his chops and spouting nonsense about his dirty laundry was probably not part of the plan. But you know, frog, scorpion....

NewAgeNewMe · 16/09/2025 09:35

Interesting take @Godspeedbonnielass
HIHO on the way I’d say if that’s the case…

bluegreygreen · 16/09/2025 09:59

And the half-in is Harry coming and going as he pleases, with Meghan the half-out doing her own thing in California?

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 16/09/2025 09:59

But this relies on the fact that Invictus goes ahead. Birmingham can not afford it .

Hummingbirdtree · 16/09/2025 10:01

Godspeedbonnielass · 16/09/2025 09:33

The Vintage Read has an interesting take on the "concentrating on KCIII for the next year" comment. She's usually pretty well researched, so what she says is always well informed and she looks outside the box of the usual media spin, which I like. She thinks they've struck a diary/media deal, which started with that meeting between Harry's PR and Tobin Andre and that snapshot on the balcony. The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games. Charles's health might well be a big red herring. When he said "focus on my father for the next year", he was parroting a PR arrangement and nothing more.

Of course, Harry flapping his chops and spouting nonsense about his dirty laundry was probably not part of the plan. But you know, frog, scorpion....

That actually makes perfect sense.

diddl · 16/09/2025 10:17

The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games.

Is Charles being supportive of the games really a big enough draw for H&M to keep quiet for a year?

I thought it might be if they can keep their heads down & their gobs shut for a year there might be some money?

Mylovelygreendress · 16/09/2025 10:19

diddl · 16/09/2025 10:17

The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games.

Is Charles being supportive of the games really a big enough draw for H&M to keep quiet for a year?

I thought it might be if they can keep their heads down & their gobs shut for a year there might be some money?

Well Harry might have agreed to that but I cannot see Meghan keeping a low profile for a year !

Mildorado · 16/09/2025 10:20

diddl · 16/09/2025 10:17

The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games.

Is Charles being supportive of the games really a big enough draw for H&M to keep quiet for a year?

I thought it might be if they can keep their heads down & their gobs shut for a year there might be some money?

Yeah, it's got to be about money. Apart from being celebrities, that's what's important to H&,M.

BusWankers · 16/09/2025 10:24

NewAgeNewMe · 16/09/2025 09:35

Interesting take @Godspeedbonnielass
HIHO on the way I’d say if that’s the case…

Not a chance. How can it possibly work?

It would undermine the foundation of the monarchy and collapse it

JustineRobots · 16/09/2025 10:26

He doesn’t want to come back to become an active working Royal - he is trying to engineer the HIHO situation from which he can bask in the royal glow - solely to build his and his wife’s brands in the US to make $$$$$$.

🎶 “HIHO, HIHO, it’s not to work we go…” 🎶

Godspeedbonnielass · 16/09/2025 10:50

diddl · 16/09/2025 10:17

The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games.

Is Charles being supportive of the games really a big enough draw for H&M to keep quiet for a year?

I thought it might be if they can keep their heads down & their gobs shut for a year there might be some money?

Invictus has always been Harry's lifeline to universal praise and good press. With it being held in the UK, it could be his gateway back into being a working royal. We absolutely know that the royals - particularly William - will be vilified if they don't "support the veterans" - irrespective of what they do for the military all the other years when Invictus hasn't rolled into town. So it's no big sacrifice, and actually good PR for Charles to support it, and it's a shoe in win for Harry - and perhaps his last chance to get back into the royal fold before William becomes king and shuts off all avenues. All he has to do is behave himself next year and not overshadow Charles's tours and other major engagements with his own Temu royal activities like faux tours. Charles will want this because he's both a narcissist who doesn't like being overshadowed, and very aware he has limited time left to make his mark as king. And I don't think he cares about the impact on William, unfortunately.

Is Harry after money or becoming a working royal again? I think he will take either, but he will persist in wanting the latter on the HIHO basis, as I simply don't see Meghan returning or the children coming back either. Perhaps she'll capitulate if Charles promises to leave them one of the major, privately owned properties, like Highgrove, that Meghan can take over and impose her brand onto. Perhaps Charles is dangling some attractive carrots in their faces to get compliance?

Will Harry and Meghan comply? Like | said, they are scorpions, and I fear froggy Charles will come a cropper. I think their response to anything the king and his heir does is Pavlovian and they can't help themselves but seek to compete with them. And they have the press all too willing to facilitate this - the continual jabs at William and Catherine for no good reason being demonstrative of the current dynamic. All Meghan will need to do to knock Charles off the headlines is walk around a carpark in some wrinkled monstrosity; and this will especially be the case if they have actually gone quiet for a period of time and curiosity as to what they have been up to ramps up. One thing these last few months has shown is that over-exposure to Meghan's "brand" has simply resulted in ridicule and ennui. She's better off staying mysterious.

At the moment, I think there's probably a lot of brinksmanship at play, given the uncertainty over Charles's health and the Sussexes rather precarious position, which makes them far more dangerous than if they'd managed to secure a solid and successful career for themselves outside the RF.

Everyonesawher · 16/09/2025 10:54

Godspeedbonnielass · 16/09/2025 09:33

The Vintage Read has an interesting take on the "concentrating on KCIII for the next year" comment. She's usually pretty well researched, so what she says is always well informed and she looks outside the box of the usual media spin, which I like. She thinks they've struck a diary/media deal, which started with that meeting between Harry's PR and Tobin Andre and that snapshot on the balcony. The deal being that, for the next year, H&M won't seek to overshadow Charles's public engagements and tours with their own projects, which inevitably create a media storm, even if they are just hanging around a car park. Then the following year, 2027, can be Harry's year where he showcases himself in the run up to Invictus, and Charles will be actively supportive of the games. Charles's health might well be a big red herring. When he said "focus on my father for the next year", he was parroting a PR arrangement and nothing more.

Of course, Harry flapping his chops and spouting nonsense about his dirty laundry was probably not part of the plan. But you know, frog, scorpion....

That’s not really landing for me personally. IG is nearly 2 years out and I don’t think PH cares or profits from it enough or even has the ability to execute a slow subtle 2 year campaign.

This will be more about NF, As Ever etc needing royal association to grow H&M more $$$$$. IG arguably doesn't need BRF and vice a versa.

Was there a tease earlier in the year that PH would announce / launch a big commercial enterprise this autumn?

Mildorado · 16/09/2025 10:56

Unfortunately, Invictus became too much about Harry and Meghan. Too much about her fashion, too much about them as a couple. Meghan made a speech at Invictus which was all about them. They've co-opted it too much.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/09/2025 10:58

Invictus has always been Harry's lifeline to universal praise and good press. With it being held in the UK, it could be his gateway back into being a working royal. We absolutely know that the royals - particularly William - will be vilified if they don't "support the veterans" - irrespective of what they do when Invictus hasn't rolled into town

It's worth remembering, @Godspeedbonnielass, that Invictus is by no means the only initiative helping inured service people, so if the RF wanted to dodge the event and avoid such accusations they could easily do something for one of the others while Harry's event is on - as in "They're all worthwhile, so you support that one and we'll support this"

Doubtless he'd make it all about him and his "victimhood", but he does that anyway so there'd hardly be anything new there

One thing these last few months has shown is that over-exposure to Meghan's "brand" has simply resulted in ridicule and ennui. She's better off staying mysterious

Edited to add that I suspect "mysterious" went out of the window with the twerking ...

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