Harry meeting the king just now

[Justanotherdramalama]

I think he's going cap in hand to ask for money. I really hope he's not got the nerve to ask to come back!

I read that too, claims Harry and Meghan are behind a negative PR agenda aimed at William and Catherine in an effort to undermine them, so H&Mmcan scoot back into the Royal fold somewhat effortlessly.

It certainly rings true, and I think there is a desperation coming up to Invictus games now, Harry displaying the truth that he knows he is nothing without the RF, fortunately the British public don’t seem to be falling for Harry’s PR tactics.

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Richard Eden: Sinister plot

A sinister plot?

Honestly making W & C look like shit doesn't magically make H&M look better does it?

So are they running out of money & want a cheap place to live & Grandpa to pay for schooling?🙄

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Thanks for explaining Archive !

Agree .
I think they are seriously underestimating the feelings of the British public .
Sussex supporters sneer that it’s just DM readers who don’t like them but that’s certainly not my experience.

So RE is agreeing that KC3 is giving the green light to undermine W&K in the media to make H&M look better?

Seems like a high risk game and is that not the sort of duplicitous shenanigans that H&M were telling the world that BP (QE2? C&C? W&C?) were doing to him and MM? Surely he can’t be doing that now himself?

From what PH has said most recently - what is the end game?

1. Better family relations so he can come and go to private family gatherings.
2. Better family relations so he can come and go and be present at public RF events.
3. Better family & BP relationship so that he can come and go and solely carry out specific RF duties.
4. Any of the above but also being provided with a home in the UK and to educate his DCs here.
5. Full re-integration with his RF role with accompanying benefits.

I can see KC3 on a personal level wanting steps 1 or 2 but the slap down from BP sources last weekend would suggest no further than that. But that could be a double bluff from KC3 as he played the long game in rehabilitating Camilla’s public image / reputation in much more dire circumstances.

It’s quite bold of RE to claim it’s ‘a sinister plot by the establishment’ - he can only mean that KC3 is behind this? H&M don’t count as establishment. But it would fit with PH bombastic approach following his meeting with KC3.

There have been suggestions online for several months that BP have been briefing the royal rota against PPoW. At one point I almost started a thread to ask PR experts here for their thoughts (as to whether something like this was remotely likely).

The suggestion is that KC3 is jealous of their popularity and feels they are overshadowing his reign (in the same way as when PoW he was jealous of Diana's popularity).
The royal rota are happy to have stories fed to them rather than being ignored as they currently are by PPoW (who are putting out their own stories on their own social media pages).

As I say, no idea how likely any of this is.
If it were the case, I wonder what changed to result in the very clear stop/reverse the other day with the public denial of half-in/half-out?

I think the “establishment” are Harry’s Hooray Henry friends who have been very vocal recently, Charlotte Griffiths runs with that set and is in Harry’s pocket hence all the articles in the DM from her and I can’t remember the other guys name who spoke on Harry’s behalf about the Sentebale debacle, he’s been pushing the Harry’s back in the fold narrative as well, I don’t think Charles is the establishment here at all.

So effectively the ‘establishment’ is H&M via his old mates? Nothing to do with KC3?

More made up shit then I mean you have other media repeating they don't want to come back but the DM always pushing that they do. Whatever its all just bs to generate clicks.

IMHO, the objective function for the media is to drive revenue and therefore they will push the drama which equals engagement/clicks which equals money. Some less scrupulous reporters would want to stir the pot for clicks...with no consideration for such old-fashioned values as...telling the truth.

KW5 will be King but H will be forgotten in the mists of time. And the rest is contemporary detail.

It's Harry that's feeding the DM.

@Spectre8
what would you say if H and M said they wanted to return to the Royal Fold ?

Don't have an issue with it, why would I. It is their life, they have time live it. If they are coming back as working royals then work and work hard, if not then earn your own money. Just like I would say about all the royal family.

I would much rather Harry popped over here, did a few visits, connected with his Dad while he can, then went back to his wife and family.
I think the royal family need to loosen up as far as he is concerned, they have far more to worry about with Andrew and Sarah

Agree with this.

Charles needs to get his PR into fifth gear instead of the softly softly approach and get H+M back. That said Charlie's PR machine is superb so they know what they are doing. There is no way W+K can do everything themselves and Edward, Sophie, Ann are getting too old. Not sure if Mike and Zara want much to do with it. Fergie and Andrew have ruined Eugenie and Beatrice's chance of doing much, though to be fair, I'm not sure if they would command much of a crowd to anything other than opening a fete themselves even prior to the latest scandal.

Waiting for Andrew Lownie to write a book about H & M.😁

Course you are!

Just because W and C “can’t do everything themselves” doesn’t mean H and MM are the people to bring on board to help. They’ve plainly demonstrated they aren’t up to the job. If the job is too much for W and C in its current form then it’s the job that will be reshaped.

The Royals do quite a bit of ' busywork' of visiting places where the visited need to spend money and time getting places up to scratch. They could easily pare down the random ribbon cutting. William said he doesn't want to do that anyway and plenty of others do while also having jobs like actors, sportspeople and even the cousins, and charities dont have to repaint and refit a toilet for the privilege. There is also ample room for W &K to step up in terms of workload. They dont need to draft random cousins in.

There is also ample room for W &K to step up in terms of workload.

But that would eat into their ‘family time’ and ‘school runs’ and their monthly holidays are also vital for their ‘family time’.

I am sure I read that Tom Bowers is working on one ?
Remember he was at Invictus ? He was harassed by a Sussex Squad woman.

There is no way W+K can do everything themselves

TBF given all of them only manage to rustle up some six months FTE between them, they probably could.

They won't though.

W has no shortage of next generation cousins who can be drafted in as needed. The Phillips/Tindalls, Edinburghs, Snowdons, Chattos, Kents, Gloucesters, Windsors, etc...future KW5 has more than enough cousins to help serve the various realms.

IMHO, it is California PR that is pushing a narrative that H is needed as a working royal. It is remarkable that anyone can amplify this narrative with a straight face after H went to Ukraine against the advice of the UK government.

H's photo op was more important to him than the foreign policy needs of the UK.