Media vs. Reality: The Royal Meeting No One Cares About

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It makes little difference if he meets his father. His role won’t change, and the monarchy or public won’t be affected, yet the media keeps spinning it as if it matters — even though the public doesn’t care.

Prince Harry 'to meet with King Charles' when he returns to UK for anniversary of Queen Elizabeth II's death - as sources say 'reconciliation is within reach' | Daily Mail Online

Camilla and Sophie were inside the fold, representing the late Queen. One of the difficulties H & M have is that they represent themselves and there's therefore a short connection to personal PR when they're doing good deeds. I know Camilla and Sophie also get some good PR by doing good deeds but the connection is not quite so direct because the underlying reason for their presence is something other, they are there in a role.

I think Harry could rehabilitate his image with the British public given time but I hope he never comes back officially. The lack of judgement over the last 5 years should mean he is unfit. We are only a few months from his 'establishment stitch-up' tantrum but even in time, that kind of conduct is completely at odds with being a representative for our country.

I'm also no lawyer, Mylovelygreendress, but wondered that myself and found this: https://bestlafamilylawyers.com/can-i-take-my-child-on-vacation-out-of-the-country-without-the-other-parents-permission/#:~:text=For%20those%20with%20sole%20custody,applying%20for%20your%20child's%20passport.

There's also the issue that, as far as we know, Harry hasn't become a US citizen, and there's more about that here: https://www.petrellilaw.com/navigating-child-custody-when-one-parent-is-a-non-us-citizen/

I think the way is being paved for Harry to HI/HO

His much questioned finances are already a subject of press and public interest. A HI/HO would intensify that.

If this thin-skinned prince thinks he's hard enough, bring it on 🤑

Harry is a total loose cannon. He’s a liability and there is no way he should ever represent this country in any shape or form again. If Charles wishes to see him privately, that’s his affair. I doubt very much that William will ever want anything to do with him again.

I would have thought it’s also up to the government if Harry can represent the monarch. I may be wrong though.

Mind you they allowed Andrew with all his shady dealings to represent the monarch so who knows!

Mine too,

I’m pleased to see he fitted a number of charity visits in while he was in the UK, what I think is a shame is that he clearly does have links with UK charities and yet we’ve heard nothing about them. If he had focused his energy on talking about them instead of himself and stopped with the pay to play stuff he wouldn’t be in such a low place popularity wise.

I doubt this trip has done anything for his credibility, the opposite I suspect. It came across as so fake and try hard.

I have this funny image of Meghan, Meredith and his PR team around a table in their ‘war room’, a la the White House, watching Harry on a big screen, urging him on, Meghan with her hands clasped at her face, grinning and groaning in equal measures. Meredith giving directions, do this, do that, say this now.

LOL, it couldn’t have looked more stage managed even if they had disclosed the scene notes.

A clip of Catherine tying her hair in a bun, has racked up almost 50million views, compare that to Meghan personally posting her own video of her shaking her pregnant fanny (US name for ass in case anyone is confused) to gain some clicks.

According to a “ source “ , Harry wants his DC educated in the U.K. .

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15092967/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Harry-send-kids-school-England-say-pals.html

I actually feel he needs to apologise to the whole country after he has done so to his family.
Clearly never going to happen.

But surely this is impossible because of all the paparazzi that would bother them on the way to school every day? Wasn’t that one of their reasons for moving?

Maybe they are planning to enrol A+L wherever the Wales kids go 😬

That is surely nonsense.

firstly I thought it was far too unsafe for Harry to bring his family to the U.K. ever again?

secondly I can’t ever see Meghan allowing it.

thirdly it’s wildly wishful thinking on his behalf. You can’t just take two children who have been raised in California with no family or peer network in the UK and a completely different lifestyle and plonk them in a British boarding school and expect they’ll immediately form close knit bonds with a group of old school toffs.

It would be completely setting them up for failure.

The only credibility I can see with this is that it would align with the increasing hints we’re hearing that Harry wants reconciliation with the RF and that he wants his kids to have the chance to choose to be working members of the RF in future - maybe he thinks if he has them educated in the UK they could slot into that role more easily. But still, it’s nonsense. At the point his children are living in the UK for school it would be ridiculous for their parents to remain in California - Harry might be longing to come back to England but this is pie in the sky thinking if it’s come from him.

edited to add, the only way I could see this happening would be if they’d totally run out of money and this was the only way for Meghan to cling onto any sort aspirational lifestyle - by crawling back to the RF and hoping to be funded by Charles again (which I think he would do, if they agreed to live quietly and stop giving interviews, faux royalling and trashing the RF)

Harry would also need to get over his security issues and stop parroting the narrative that the UK is way too dangerous for him and his family.

Exactly this!

The trouble is, the more calculated it looks, the less authentic, and therefore the less likely to win support!

It's like a young child suddenly being very 'good' just before Christmas - to be on the 'nice list' - and each time saying 'I was good that time wasn't I'?!

Quite cute in a small child (though i never linked behaviour to presents personally) but not very pleasant in middle aged people who are on the make.

And yes, I am sure all the RF have PR advisers. From the little I know about effective PR it is about promoting the genuine positives over the long term, not tricking the audience in the short term.

It comes back, over and over again, to timescales.

Stop chasing the quick photo op or gimmick.

Get involved in a couple of causes you believe in, and give them quiet, consistent support over several years. Build some credibility and let that speak for you.

”he wants his kids to have the chance to choose to be working members of the RF in future “

Harry doesn’t seem to realise ( or chooses not to realise) that it won’t be up to A and L if they become working members of the RF . After all the Yorks were desperate for Beatrice and Eugenie to be working members and it was a firm no .
And why would he want that life for his DC when it allegedly made him and his wife so miserable ?

You can’t just take two children who have been raised in California with no family or peer network in the UK and a completely different lifestyle and plonk them in a British boarding school and expect they’ll immediately form close knit bonds with a group of old school toffs.

Well, you could.

Plenty of international families do this.

Whether it would be a sensible thing for Harry's family (or even possible, if Meghan disagrees) is another matter.

why? why would he need to apologise to the "whole country"??
he fell out with his family. its not his fault people are taking it like they were dumped by a partner.

Exactly this.

The fact that each new gimmick directly contradicts something they've said before (UK too unsafe for family; children would be papped going to school) doesn't help.

He must think people are such idiots, that everyone is thinking - oh my, Harry thinks our schools are better than American schools - <preen> - perhaps he’s not so bad after all - and he gave some money to CiN once, nearly a year ago, that’s so wonderful! He must not be going cap in hand to his father after all!

(Some on here appear to be falling for it, mind.)

my main point is in the second part of that paragraph- expect they’ll immediately form close knit bonds with a group of old school toffs.

I'm well aware lots of rich people from overseas send their kids to boarding schools in the UK and elsewhere. The point is more that Harry can’t just copy and paste his own childhood experience just by sending his kids to school in England. A lot of these friendship groups are formed with people of old money with land and often titles, who have grown up living a certain lifestyle and socialising with the same set - indeed one similar to the RF, playing polo, hunting & shooting etc. And has often been noted that these families and friends are known for being discreet and looking out for each other - hence we don’t see them selling stories on William and Harry.

Harry can put his kids into that setting but that won’t necessarily grant them acceptance to the same set - yes they have the titles but if anything that could go against them - two Californian teenagers whose mother is an influencer selling pancake mix and twerking on Instagram and with two parents famous for their bitterness and indiscretion, who have stepped away from the RF. Many of those same families would also have connections to William, so may be wary of burning their bridges with the RF by associating too closely with Harry. It’s naive if he thinks his children would have the same experience that he did.

Not to mention the appalling optics of the public having yet another set of hangers-on to pay for while having long been promised a more streamlined institution.