The Yorks 2 !

[jeffgoldblum]

Sorry missed end of thread !
had a slight hiccup.
anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

So-called historians, royal authors, and “experts” — like this guy, Katie Nicholl, Robert Jobson, Omid Scobie, Tom Quinn, and the rest — love to claim they have inside sources. But check their book references and you’ll see their “sources” are mostly the Daily Mail, The Sun, etc. or recycled material from other royal books. The rest comes from imagination or gossip passed along by a friend of a friend.

Case in point: when everything happened with Catherine last year, not one of these “insiders” had a clue. Those sources were silent

Oh God - that’s an awful admission. I don’t think Andrew Lownie sounds very nice at all!

There’s the admission of violent bullying AND there’s being crass enough to boast about it, assuming everyone will approve.

Nasty.

Yes, I agree. Sounds like a personal grudge.

I take your point, largely, but of course if they did have genuine inside informers they could hardly name them in the end notes.

On the whole I agree ‘sources’ needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Well... I think, until we have read the book we have to concentrate on the 3 parts put together in the DM written by Lownie and how Andrew used and abused people, his family, his extravagence, his nastiness with those he deemed as inferior, his backhanders, and his friendships with sex offenders, arms dealers and anyone who will make him a buck!
Yes, there is some salacious details in the articles, but there is so much more.

I honestly think Andrew has taken us all for fools, enabled by his mother. I have been speaking out against him for a very long time, but even now he is untouchable. Holed up on a massive Royal Estate but at least he is aggrieved he has no royal status.

Similar to being on these RF threads - we have eclectic opinions, that's for sure.

Imagine Mrs Lownie's AIBU/post on relationships board about spending £500k of family money on a court case

Assumptions and gossip, just what I'd expect from someone connected to Lady Colin. The sad thing is that the assumptions and gossip will be repeated constantly and distract from Andrew's actual actions.

He is now writing very good fiction .eg One of Our Ministers is Missing

It's a real shame. I was hoping this would be the final blow for Andrew (and Fergie)!

I don’t think anyone would argue with you about Andrew.

But it’s always good to be aware, and wary, of who the author is.

Absolutely 💯

Don’t give up yet! , there surely is proof of actual wrongdoing amongst all the salacious rhubarb! 🤞

I will read the book and make my own judgement. Same as I did with Harry's book, Spare.

Just going by the salacious bits sensationalised in the media is not the real story.

And I also have his book about The Mountbattens to read also.

Well I hope so! End the privileges of grasping, greedy pair for good.

🤞 🤞

I think it's the tentacles stretching out from Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell to the kompromat and Trump that are so significant and malign.

Trump is soon meeting Putin about Ukraine - how much kompromat exists that could be affecting Trump's judgement?

Trump is negotiating with Netanyahu over Gaza - how much kompromat exists, via Mossad, that could be affecting Trump's judgement?

The lives of 40 million inhabitants of Ukraine and Gaza are on the line here. It's unbelievable on many levels to think that Prince Andrew may be involved in some way, and isn't offering all assistance at the earliest opportunity. Ditto Clinton and the others.

These are Heads of State, former Heads of State and those connected to them, who may be making decisions (including the decision to delay and obfuscate) that could lead to the destruction of lands and communities, and future geopolitical destabilisations, because they would rather cover up being in a grubby self-indulgent network of sex abusers and traffickers.

On the quality of politicians discussion, Isabel Hardman's book "Why we get the wrong politicians" may be of interest - she sets out some the baked in challenges of securing a place on lists for MPs which precludes many people who could have been excellent MPs, but also looks at the imbalance of attention given to the work of MPs - particularly those not on the payroll and very active as a constituency MP. It was released in 2018 so doesn't address the apparent collapse of the two party system or the impact of surge parties like Reform on councillor/MP recruitment - maybe she should write a sequel!

Interesting post, thank you.

So agree with the tentacles, and so much we are still unaware of.

Yes, ThatAvidViewer, and for me this brings in how impressive it was that nobody leaked any details of Catherine's illness before she spoke up herself

It wouldn't even have been just the actual medics; they all need support staff and any one of them could have made a fortune, but zilch (and thank god for that)

You are only one of a few.

@ Curlew

I didn’t read your last pos5 carefully enough…

I give up (been trying to work it out): who are JC and PC?

Jeremy Corbyn and his brother Piers.

Ah - that makes more sense!

It's unbelievable on many levels to think that Prince Andrew may be involved in some way, and isn't offering all assistance at the earliest opportunity.

I don't think Andrew is clever enough to know things about people that would help - he was out for himself, rather than collecting information on others; people had kompromat on him, rather than the other way round. The combination of his position and his avarice gave him a unique role in facilitating, smoothing the way for others to meet around him; caught up in the tentacles, rather than manipulating them, if you will.

While his actions that we are aware of are abhorrent (and there may be more information in the book regarding the financial/political side) I think his real importance is as a scapegoat - when we are looking at Andrew, there are a lot of more important men in the world that we are not looking at.

For clarity: I am not condoning his behaviour in any way whatsoever.