The Yorks 2 !

[jeffgoldblum]

Sorry missed end of thread !
had a slight hiccup.
anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

Statistically I don't think that's true. For some reason, they are more likely to cheat!

Not I’m my family!
my dh saw what it did to his mother and never spoke to his father again, it’s one of the reasons he’s not a fan of Charles and is very much against affairs of any kind!
my own parents have never been unfaithful either.

While it's important for Lownie to expose wrong-doing I stop short of being comfortable with some of the other things he's included. I happen to think that if PP was having an affair, so what? It's none of our business, yet you think it is. I think he just couldn't resist adding in that little spicy bit of gossip and I don't like it.

Agree with this @CoffeeCantata. Both parties are dead, and it helps no-one; and there seems to be a certain glee in recounting what is described as simply family gossip.

I also feel that hating Andrew so much that you kick him in rugby goes against a careful, systematic examination of his wrongdoings. There's plenty to examine, but is it likely to be unbiased?

Agree @jamnpancakes and @jeffgoldblum - same in this family

It’s the way it was flippantly thrown in that I find cheap and gossipy. Perhaps the book has more explanation of why Lownie included it - I don’t know. If he was trying to claim that his father set Andrew a bad example (while I’d need to be convinced of that huge claim..) at least it would hang together as being connected to the main subject of the book. But as it appears in the chunks we’ve read, it looks like a little bit of spiteful spice he thought he’d just toss in to set everyone gossiping.

Same with the CSA stuff. Either put up (properly) or shut up.

That’s all fine by me.

I just get suspicious of people who dish it but can’t respond to valid questions.

They do use the press ( and their favourites) to put out puff pieces and press releases and get their 'close confidantes/sources to put out information for them though and to hide the really bad stories. How do you think Harry got away with so much, which must have been well known at the time, or Andrew? Harry hates the 'Men in grey suits' but they were doing overtime trying to protect his image by getting the press to hold back on what he was up to. If they have no influence why do they have so many press officers and so many PR people? Why was Paul Dacre a regular at Clarence House and suddenly Camilla's image is transformed?
As for Parliament, the King doesn't make legislation and the convention is that he signs legislation after it has been passed through Parliament but he does lobby for exemptions that then cannot be debated in Parliament. Agreed that is entirely the fault of parliament, but why are they so in thrall to the Monarch? What benefit do WE get from them exempting the Monarch from legislation we all have to comply with? What benefit do WE get from not debating the Royal family- any member- not just the Head of State, but his brothers, sisters, children, grandchildren etc? As far as I can see, we get no benefit from it. If the RF want to be exempt from legislation, let them propose it, their many staff can draft their reasonings as to why they want the exemption, it can be openly debated like all other clauses in legislation and granted or not. Its almost worse than the King having the power to just refuse to sign a Bill into Law, because at least that would be out in the open and open to scrutiny. Now they do it, there's an outrage for 5 minutes, they don't bother to explain it then it goes away. because 'President Blair' is the only alternative apparently to a secretive Monarchy pandered to by Parliament.

All I’m going to say briefly about the child abuse? Claims ( I’ve already said I’m not happy about it ) .
there are a certain breed of people ( mainly men of a certain age ) that don’t consider the sexual (abuse because that’s what it is) of boys to be something worth complaining about , it’s normalised as “ men loving it” .

it’s particularly hard to understand why he felt compelled to just drop this in!
does he not realise that this would in fact garner some sympathy and reason behind Andrews apparent hyper sexual behaviour? .

finally whatever Andrew may have done revelations of this extent about possibly hurtful trauma against his will is disgraceful and should not be allowed.

@LidlAmaretto . I haven't read all your post. My point is this: Parliament is sovereign, not the monarch.
This has been said time and time again.
The RF may want to give good items to various news outlets, but they do not control the press.
Both these things are routinely and erroneously claimed. That's all.

Yes, Jeff - Lownie is coming over to me as a bit of an upper-class twit if he hasn’t grasped the gravity of some of his throwaway remarks.

If indeed that’s how it’s presented in the full book. I guess we’ll have to wait and see….or until poor, noble Basilisk reports back😳🤭!

Indeed !
although I must admit I’m losing my enthusiasm for the book now! 🤷‍♀️

So you are including the Queen now in this ?

Omg! The man is an anti Semite.

Do you mean TLQ? Well, unless she was completely in the dark about the speculation then yes.

I do think it’s important to separate the book, which I am assuming is properly researched and referenced, and the PR, which is pretty grim.

Really, @vera99 ? "the popularity he has among so many"?
Jeremy Corbyn, the man who led the Labour Party to disaster allowing the Red Wall to collapse and Boris Johnson to become PM? That Jeremy Corbyn? So, not hugely popular with the electorate, then.

The speculation about PP?

finally whatever Andrew may have done revelations of this extent about possibly hurtful trauma against his will is disgraceful and should not be allowed.

Im hoping it’s picked up by the police and investigated.

And as for the book - the author well and truly showed himself for who he is and I don’t want to know anything else about the bloody thing. In fact I’m of the opinion the author must be a complete and utter scumbag because any person who could be told that kind of thing about a child and not report it to the police doesn’t have an ounce of decency in them. Then there’s what it also makes the person for putting it in a book - I can’t even put what I think of him into words.

Im also quite taken aback by some of the posters here who still want to read it and I ask them to please reconsider doing so.

The Queen is also a keen supporter of Elmhurst Ballet School in Birmingham and visits regularly. She is Patron of the Royal Academy of Dance and takes 'Silver Swans' classes, a syllabus designed for enthusiasts of mature years.

He totally is.

And I had the dubious pleasure once of encountering his brother while he was spouting anti-vaxxer stuff through a loud speaker in my local town. He shared the platform with that ex-nurse who (if you remember) snook into a disused hospital ward, photographed the empty beds and opted on SM claiming the pandemic was all a government conspiracy.

I was proud of my town that day. The either scoffed at him or walked on by.

Posted, not opted.

So if she was aware of the speculation then she deserves to have her private love life exposed and picked over for people’s entertainment?!

Me too - will be there with you!

@Weepixie

Yes, I’m with you there. A shocking lapse of judgment which does impact his other content.