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The Yorks 2 !

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jeffgoldblum · 05/08/2025 20:49

Sorry missed end of thread !
had a slight hiccup.
anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

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CoffeeCantata · 08/08/2025 18:18

CurlewKate · 08/08/2025 17:53

I’m finding this less and less fun-I didn’t like getting a 30 second TicToc with AL stating as a simple fact that PP and Susan Barrantes were having an affair. I’m perfectly prepared to believe it might be true- and I hope that there is actual supporting evidence for all these claims in the book, but the click bait style of promotion is distasteful, and it ir looking less and less like the work of a serious historian and more like that of a tabloid journalist.

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Seconded.

I’m more sceptical about Lownie now than I was after the first excerpt.

CoffeeCantata · 08/08/2025 18:19

CurlewKate · 08/08/2025 17:55

Is anyone prepared to take one for the team and actually read the book and report back? Maybe hold a Q&A?

I have high blood pressure!😀

vera99 · 08/08/2025 18:25

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:10

With the best will in the world, mn is an anonymous forum and many people claim to have inside information or be the friend of a friend of a palace worker!
you have made claims about your job and contacts , there is no proof and frankly therefore your posts are your opinion only just as others posts are their opinion.

Somewhere in the darkest corners of my house is my UKTI Board Award, presented to me by Prince Andrew himself in 2006 at St James’s Palace for Outstanding Achievements. When I find it, I’ll photograph it and put “vera99” over my name on its gleaming surface. It won’t prove anything, of course, but since you’re doubting my veracity, well, there’s that.

But this isn’t about me or other public servants it’s about Prince Andrew and his awful wife. Let’s not get distracted from the subject at hand.

MrsLeonFarrell · 08/08/2025 18:26

CoffeeCantata · 08/08/2025 18:19

I have high blood pressure!😀

I don't want to!

vera99 · 08/08/2025 18:27

Kellywiththelegs · 08/08/2025 18:12

Ah those virtuous public servants and politicians, only acting in the best interests of the people, if Andrew did all as is claimed without any help, knowledge or self interest from said public servants then I’ve a bridge to sell you @vera99.

Which bridge - I maybe interested !

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:30

vera99 · 08/08/2025 17:51

So, will you campaign to reform the Erskine May conventions so that the monarchy is finally subject to genuine parliamentary scrutiny and real accountability? That means overhauling the honours system to eliminate conflicts of interest, opening an honest debate on limiting royal powers, extending Freedom of Information laws, and exposing matters like Prince Charles’s “spider” letters or will you instead hide behind convenient distractions to avoid the elephant in the room: the abhorrent, and potentially criminal, conduct of the King’s brother and his wife, which demands the full glare of truth upon their sordid, entitled, and privilege-soaked, ermine-tipped lives?

Not the point. Read my post.
Parliament is Sovereign.
I am not a Member of Parliament, nor am I a senior civil servant.
They have the power.
It's like saying "my 8 year old shouts at me" so?
You're the parent, you're in charge, do something.
Same here.

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:32

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 17:59

Why exactly are you attacking @OlympicWomen?
her opinion is as valid as yours and one that is frankly shared by quite a few of us!

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Thank you.
Also, it spectacularly misses the point.

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:33

vera99 · 08/08/2025 18:25

Somewhere in the darkest corners of my house is my UKTI Board Award, presented to me by Prince Andrew himself in 2006 at St James’s Palace for Outstanding Achievements. When I find it, I’ll photograph it and put “vera99” over my name on its gleaming surface. It won’t prove anything, of course, but since you’re doubting my veracity, well, there’s that.

But this isn’t about me or other public servants it’s about Prince Andrew and his awful wife. Let’s not get distracted from the subject at hand.

Honestly I don’t care .
this thread was started by me to discuss the excerpts from Andrew lownies book! .
for everyone to discuss regardless of their background or particular opinion on it.
it wasn’t set up as a crusade for republicans or those in support of the monarchy ( although both opinions are welcome) .
you are welcome to discuss and share your opinions but they are no more valid or relevant than any other poster on here.

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OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:36

vera99 · 08/08/2025 18:05

Well, I’m not, but I feel this is a subject on which I have some limited but relevant knowledge. It seems to have shifted from blaming Prince Andrew for his transgressions into a broader smear campaign, accusing committed and dedicated public servants who worked tirelessly to advance this country of enabling him. I get it some royalists are smarting at the revelations that strike at the very heart of an institution they love and cherish. I understand that, but sometimes we need to stand up for and support the truth, however unpleasant that may be.

What?! They have enabled him. They've allowed it to happen on their watch. They're in charge. Why label people royalist or whatever. Pointless.

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:38

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:33

Honestly I don’t care .
this thread was started by me to discuss the excerpts from Andrew lownies book! .
for everyone to discuss regardless of their background or particular opinion on it.
it wasn’t set up as a crusade for republicans or those in support of the monarchy ( although both opinions are welcome) .
you are welcome to discuss and share your opinions but they are no more valid or relevant than any other poster on here.

Yes, in fact the silly labels "royalist/republican" are pointless and add nothing to the discussion. I am interested in what is revealed and what will happen next.
I am disappointed that so many of our politicians and senior civil servants appear to have been so foolish and craven.

vera99 · 08/08/2025 18:38

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:33

Honestly I don’t care .
this thread was started by me to discuss the excerpts from Andrew lownies book! .
for everyone to discuss regardless of their background or particular opinion on it.
it wasn’t set up as a crusade for republicans or those in support of the monarchy ( although both opinions are welcome) .
you are welcome to discuss and share your opinions but they are no more valid or relevant than any other poster on here.

I agree we’ve digressed a bit. If we can avoid personal attacks which I hope I do unless provoked then we can get back on track. That said, you might be pleased to know I’m growing weary of this; many here are long-term posters, far more invested and with greater fortitude than I can possibly summon. I salute your collective indefatigability!

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:39

Yes, start by not applying inaccurate labels to posters, based on no evidence whatsoever.

vera99 · 08/08/2025 18:40

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:39

Yes, start by not applying inaccurate labels to posters, based on no evidence whatsoever.

Your comment has been noted !

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:40

It's a strange one about PP and Susan de Barrantes. I find it difficult to believe, and hope that Lownie isn't just trawling for gossip. He's surely got enough to damn Andrew without this.

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:43

Some years ago I read quite a juicy book called "Fergie Confidential". It did not paint a flattering picture. She was portrayed as greedy and foolish and always trying to get freebies. She was constantly in debt, which is always appealing to those who wish to exploit. Seems that they did.

Kellywiththelegs · 08/08/2025 18:47

I don’t know much about Susan Barrantes at all so just looked her up, she was certainly very attractive in her time, I had no idea she was decapitated in a head on collision, how awful.

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:49

Kellywiththelegs · 08/08/2025 18:47

I don’t know much about Susan Barrantes at all so just looked her up, she was certainly very attractive in her time, I had no idea she was decapitated in a head on collision, how awful.

Poor woman, yes she went off to Argentina with a polo player when her daughters were young. Similar situation to Diana, really.

CoffeeCantata · 08/08/2025 18:50

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:40

It's a strange one about PP and Susan de Barrantes. I find it difficult to believe, and hope that Lownie isn't just trawling for gossip. He's surely got enough to damn Andrew without this.

Exactly! It seems gratuitous and disconnected somehow.

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:52

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:38

Yes, in fact the silly labels "royalist/republican" are pointless and add nothing to the discussion. I am interested in what is revealed and what will happen next.
I am disappointed that so many of our politicians and senior civil servants appear to have been so foolish and craven.

Yes labeling posters on this thread is pointless, ive yet to see a single poster who doesn’t think Andrew and Sarah are absolutely the worst!

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OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:54

Kellywiththelegs · 08/08/2025 18:47

I don’t know much about Susan Barrantes at all so just looked her up, she was certainly very attractive in her time, I had no idea she was decapitated in a head on collision, how awful.

Just one year after Diana, also she wasn't wearing a seatbelt either. Awful for her daughters.

CoffeeCantata · 08/08/2025 19:06

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:52

Yes labeling posters on this thread is pointless, ive yet to see a single poster who doesn’t think Andrew and Sarah are absolutely the worst!

Definitely. I’m not a republican but I deplore PA’s and SF’s disgusting, corrupt behaviour and it should be exposed. My hope is that it will accelerate their expulsion from the royal sphere and that lessons will be learned by the RF.

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 19:08

CoffeeCantata · 08/08/2025 19:06

Definitely. I’m not a republican but I deplore PA’s and SF’s disgusting, corrupt behaviour and it should be exposed. My hope is that it will accelerate their expulsion from the royal sphere and that lessons will be learned by the RF.

Very good points
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CurlewKate · 08/08/2025 19:21

jeffgoldblum · 08/08/2025 18:52

Yes labeling posters on this thread is pointless, ive yet to see a single poster who doesn’t think Andrew and Sarah are absolutely the worst!

Personally, I don’t have a problem with being labelled a Republican. It’s a label I happily apply to myself. I do agree that you don’t have to be a Republican to find A’s behaviour hideous-you just have to be a decent human being. You would, however, have to be a very hard core Royalist to defend him! I do know a couple I think might-but I’m scared to ask…..!

CurlewKate · 08/08/2025 19:23

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 18:40

It's a strange one about PP and Susan de Barrantes. I find it difficult to believe, and hope that Lownie isn't just trawling for gossip. He's surely got enough to damn Andrew without this.

It was certainly in circulation as gossip at the time. There is a reason Jilly Cooper chose polo as the setting for one of her books!

OlympicWomen · 08/08/2025 19:33

CurlewKate · 08/08/2025 19:23

It was certainly in circulation as gossip at the time. There is a reason Jilly Cooper chose polo as the setting for one of her books!

Yes, I know about the Jilly Cooper books
I'm not saying it's implausible, just that it's a bit pointless as all those involved are dead, and doesn't really add much to the Andrew revelations.

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