The Yorks 2 !

[jeffgoldblum]

Sorry missed end of thread !
had a slight hiccup.
anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

Married people who honour their vows have nothing to fear it's not difficult if you have ethics and morals.

Thank god for the moral majority eh

A reminder... for those that may need it. There isn't a royal exclusion clause.

I, [Name], take you, [Name],
to be my wedded wife/husband,
to have and to hold from this day forward,
to love, honour, and cherish you,
and to be faithful to you alone,
for better, for worse,
for richer, for poorer,
in sickness and in health,
forsaking all others,
keeping myself only unto you,
till death us do part,
according to God’s holy law;
and this is my solemn vow.

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The only shocking thing about it is the women/posters here who are once again willing to throw other woman under the bus for the sake of a bit of gossip.

Because he has just dropped it in with no comment as if it’s accepted and general knowledge. It isn’t, clearly, so we need more detail to back it up.

We appear to have much in common-do you read Peter Wimsey? Because there is a scene in one of the “fanfic” books by Jill Payton Walsh where Duke’s Denver burnt down and the Duke and Peter were directing the emergency services….

Exactly. Susan Barrantes for one. I suspect the author has no idea

@vera99

OK…but that sounds very harsh and 17th century puritan.

Marriages are private- who knows what each person knows, doesn’t know, is happy or unhappy with or what arrangements and understanding they have mutually?

Well.... A book about the Yorks, with 5% in the book about Harry will mean that any thread will get skewed into talking about Harry endlessly unfortunately

In the Mail video I posted, the interviewer seemed a bit shocked and quickly moved on, but they still published it and added it to their usual clickbait headline. The Royals really should be wary of the Mail because, if they sense public support, they won’t hesitate to publish material that could potentially damage them. Meanwhile, Lord Rothermere sits comfortably in tax-avoidance paradise in Monaco, completely insulated. So, no pressure on the younger Royals then.

I do think that in this modern, non-deferential age of extreme scrutiny and social media, expecting them to perform for our (not mine!) sense of nationhood borders on a cruel, gilded cage. They could still be a rich aristocratic family but no longer have to perform for us just own a few fewer properties and pay a lot more tax.

I thought a lot of the bed hopping among aristos was due to arranged marriages.

Maybe it just became too ingrained??

Is there any evidence that PP was ever unfaithful?

Rumours have always swirled for sure but generally these folk don't gossip about themselves do they?

Dead people can’t object and set the record straight!

I remember when David Beckham was caught playing away with his hairdresser or someone and she sold the story to the papers. Since then, I’ve heard well-connected rumours involving aristocrats, which makes sense: they don’t need the money and know how to keep quiet. Oh and Jilly Cooper has made a fortune from such stuff though I have never read a word and suspect it's literary trash !

Presidents don’t get that kind of privilege just ask Bill Clinton. If you hold high public office, are funded by the public purse, and claim moral authority, then scrutiny comes with the territory. It’s absolutely fair game.

I actually know Andrew Lownie. He was my late husband's literary agent (his day job) and I'm still regularly in touch with him over royalties and editions.
Literary agents tend to be very au fait with the libel laws which is something to consider. They know that anything less than 100% accuracy just isn't worth the risk.
Andrew is very much the gent - not a seedy journalist but an academic historian. He's a meticulous researcher and has always seemed decent and honest to me.
Throwing that into the mix for what it's worth.

Susan Barrantes I suspect, was very much in charge of her own gossip. Many of the others, I agree, were much less so.

Thanks for the self-disclosure he really does come across that way in interviews, just as you said. You must know things the rest of us would kill for… metaphorically, of course!

I vaguely remember that Fergie’s dad was caught coming out of a brothel on Wimpole Street by the News of the World back in the day a place reportedly frequented by a host of celebrities seeking help for various “back” problems.

Presidents don’t get that kind of privilege just ask Bill Clinton. If you hold high public office, are funded by the public purse, and claim moral authority, then scrutiny comes with the territory. It’s absolutely fair game

You must know things the rest of us would kill for… metaphorically, of course!

The more you say the more obvious it becomes that your world must be one huge cess pit.

Thank you for that @MaxandMeg . I've seen AL in an interview and he did come across very well. How interesting to know him. Certainly from how he references things in his other books I do think he would not say anything he could not substantiate. Anyway , thank you again , a lovely post. I. hope your husband's books are doing well. 💐

I think it's fair to say that my cesspit is but a thimbleful in the lake that is York's. A Hogarthian view of the Establishment offers a fine dirt-streaked prism through which to observe the world.

I don’t agree. Personal relationships are private.

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Yes - but long ago! Thanks for reminding me…I’m looking for a summer read!

What’s that to do with Susan Barrantes