The Yorks 2 !

[jeffgoldblum]

Sorry missed end of thread !
had a slight hiccup.
anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

I agree. This is a massive derail but I suspect it is because of the above 'luxury beliefs'. The people who now like to call themselves 'socialists' are part of the elite. They have turned to identity politics and away from class because if they concentrate on class being a determiner of inequality, they are the ones for the chopping block in terms of loss of privilege. But if they concentrate on identity politics then they too can be oppressed. I read the Communist Manifesto (because my DS was reading it for politics and I thought Id give it a go). It struck me that they are most like 'feudal socialists' in that if they align themselves with the 'very poorest/most oppressed in society' against the middle group, there is less chance that the middle group will take them over. If you look at the most leftist organisations like the Media, acting profession etc they are almost completely closed to those who do not have inherited wealth and/or connections. Every Gallagher/Tennant/Beckham etc kid that gets an opportunity they do not deserve means fewer opportunities for talented youngsters who do not have famous parents. They are also demonstrating why communism will never work.

Yes he was the hero of the day alerting emergency services and organising water buckets. What a crazy night!

Very well said LidlAmaretto 👏👏

From what I read he was barking orders at servants and making them run into the fire to rescue paintings. He wasn't putting himself at risk. He was putting staff ( who presumably were less valuable than his mums paintings) at risk.
If you read 'And what do you do?' by Norman Baker he speaks aboput this. Also that the staff were then given fire damaged stock from the gift shop as 'thank you's' for risking their lives.

That’s right Lidl, I have read that book but some time ago now.

I think you expect too much. There's not a politician or monarch or famous person that has never behaved in some way that others would hold to be unblemished. I think it's naive to make statements like this. We're talking reality not fantasy . I do agree though that Harry and Andrew are walking disasters.

But if they had some accountability they would be forced to behave better, surely. The fact that they can just get away with whatever they want means that they will push boundaries knowing that really nothing will happen to them. What horrendous punishment will Andrew receive? Having to do nothing but ride his horse and brand new range rover around the enormous Windsor Castle grounds? What a hardship!

Now when he goes out, infuriated tax payers will lob copies of Entitled at him. I bet the RF regrets that the Tower of London is now just a tourist attraction.

They'd want Lownie in there- not Andrew- despite his treasonous behaviour!

I was remembering that butt of malmsey incident and two missing princes...

Fair enough. I was going to listen to the podcast, but it’s 2 hours and I’d rather eat wasps. But equally, I’m not going to condemn someone based on one sentence from a 2 hour interview! It looks very much as if he was talking about freedom of the press, rather than freedom of speech-and I do think a lot of people-friends and foes-agree with his stance on that.

i thought you said this thread was about the yorks.

That was my understanding - that it was William's initial report to the police that started the investigation, and his pushing for answers when the police investigation didn't get anywhere that ultimately resulted in the Leveson enquiry and improved standards.

And didn't Harry's cases end up breaching his own brother's privacy, releasing information that wasn't previously made public?

Well that and the bothers’ penis details in his definitely-for-profit book Spare. And the rest.

They’re all connected.

Yes - I totally agree. Labour is a social democratic party.

i just like to get these things straight!

I was struck at the time (totally without prejudice then - I was young) by how horribly arrogant and unnecessarily snappy and high-handed he was towards the staff who were rescuing things.

I think that is just his way, constantly. Pompous arse.

And Princess Anne had a thing with Camilla’s ex - even Prince Philip’s long-time very attractive and much younger "companion|" showed up at his funeral. Honestly, they’ve all been hopping into each other’s beds for decades while the country’s in chaos. But sure, they go to church and say their prayers, so that makes it all fine… oh and the King gets to be head of the Established Church🙄

Lownies' throwaway comment that PP had an affair with Fergie's mum is a new one to throw into the pot and one that I hadn't heard of before muck raker that I am.

Great article, BemusedAmerican, but as for why Harry considers this bonkers I very much doubt he's capable of understanding much more than "it protects a free press" ... and he doesn't like the press, ergo the Amendment doing the protecting must be wrong

I won't dwell on the crassness of living somewhere briefly and then charging in to insist on how they're getting it wrong, except to say I doubt he understands that either

I think you’re being a bit hasty and possibly credulous about the Sudan Barrantes allegations. We don’t know this for sure.

Why do you keep saying we don’t know this for sure @CoffeeCantata?
Lownie is known for his meticulous research and this book would have been gone over by solicitors with a fine tooth comb.

I know Vera99 I felt a bit queasy reading it tbh!

I think aristos have more time, energy and houses in which to conduct affairs than most people. What else are they going to do? 😀

Imagine doing this for a living. Philip and Susan are dead now.

Thing is, when you've got everything absolutely everything and a three-star Michelin meal feels about as exciting as a full English from the local caff, where do you go from there? We’re only human, aren’t we? Flawed, messy, and all too easily bored. For some of these triple-alpha types (you know the oneschests out, trousers tight), it’s not just about having what they want. It’s about taking what someone else has. The wife, the car, the life. It’s all part of the thrill. Saints are thin on the ground. Most are sinners, whether they admit it or not. And the worst ones are very good at pretending otherwise.

Oh, and let’s not forget the Royals have hundreds of staff, many of whom see far more than they're supposed to. And they talk. To friends, to strangers, to journalists especially after a pint or two and the promise of a few quid. So, it’s safe to say that plenty of people have a fair idea of what’s really going on behind the curtains. Lownie, no doubt, has mined that rich seam of gossip and when he states something publically I would say it is most probably true.