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The yorks , new book by Andrew Lownie !

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jeffgoldblum · 02/08/2025 12:39

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2025.08.01-232432/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14962883/Prince-Andrew-royal-oafishness-Sex-obsessed-vulgar-vile-bedroom-habits-Meghan-bullying-bombshell-exposed-devastating-book-Royals-tried-ban.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.is/2025.08.01-232432/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14962883/Prince-Andrew-royal-oafishness-Sex-obsessed-vulgar-vile-bedroom-habits-Meghan-bullying-bombshell-exposed-devastating-book-Royals-tried-ban.html

apparently the author will be serialising his new book in the dm weekly!
thought we might like to follow the snippets 😁

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EmpressSisi · 04/08/2025 13:58

victorianbaby · 04/08/2025 13:51

I'm not saying he's not an arse but what do you suggest they actually do?

This is exactly why the “Harry decking Andrew” story actually plays in Harry’s favor. For most people—staff, outsiders, even junior royals—calling Andrew out, let alone physically confronting him, would be unthinkable. But Harry was one of the very few people who could actually get away with it. He had the right mix of proximity, rank, and reputation: he’s family, he was (at the time) a senior royal, and frankly, no one would have been surprised—he already had a well-known temper and history of physical outbursts.

In that sense, it’s not a scandal—it’s almost cathartic wish-fulfillment. Someone putting Andrew in his place, someone who actually could. If anything, it makes Harry look like he had a spine and a sense of justice. And considering Andrew’s reputation, it doesn’t reflect poorly on Harry—it actually enhances his image as the rebellious royal willing to call out the untouchables.

abbey44 · 04/08/2025 14:04

Weepixie · 04/08/2025 13:55

The things mentioned today about Andrew as a TA have been known about for years so in that respect I’d say there wasn’t anything new in the article today.

A lot of the other stuff was also old news.

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I agree with you that a lot of this - if not most - has been known for years, but I think to see it all brought together in one place, with a lot of the dots joined, shows that the scale of it has been breathtaking and probably a lot more than has been generally realised. And this is just the stuff that’s presumably been checked, rechecked and crawled over by lawyers. How much is there that still can’t be reliably verified?

Never has a book been so aptly titled.

CathyorClaire · 04/08/2025 14:11

victorianbaby · 04/08/2025 13:35

What should have happened though? Princess Anne rugby tackle him to the ground?

The only thing that has ever needed tackling is his palpable determination to take centre stage/engage with the public when he gets the opportunity.

And back to the article: it's a bit disappointing to see AL hasn't addressed alleged fraudster Selman Turk's use of a Crown Estate owned Mayfair flat without any evidence of rental payments being made.

That coupled with the never properly explained Beckham daughter's 'Princess Party' held at BP suggests an investigation into the Yorks' use of royal property might be well worth pursuing.

victorianbaby · 04/08/2025 14:29

EmpressSisi · 04/08/2025 13:58

This is exactly why the “Harry decking Andrew” story actually plays in Harry’s favor. For most people—staff, outsiders, even junior royals—calling Andrew out, let alone physically confronting him, would be unthinkable. But Harry was one of the very few people who could actually get away with it. He had the right mix of proximity, rank, and reputation: he’s family, he was (at the time) a senior royal, and frankly, no one would have been surprised—he already had a well-known temper and history of physical outbursts.

In that sense, it’s not a scandal—it’s almost cathartic wish-fulfillment. Someone putting Andrew in his place, someone who actually could. If anything, it makes Harry look like he had a spine and a sense of justice. And considering Andrew’s reputation, it doesn’t reflect poorly on Harry—it actually enhances his image as the rebellious royal willing to call out the untouchables.

I'm not seeing it as that but hey !

EmpressSisi · 04/08/2025 14:30

victorianbaby · 04/08/2025 14:29

I'm not seeing it as that but hey !

That’s okay, plenty of others do. We are allowed to have different opinions.

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 14:32

Weepixie · 04/08/2025 13:55

The things mentioned today about Andrew as a TA have been known about for years so in that respect I’d say there wasn’t anything new in the article today.

A lot of the other stuff was also old news.

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Yes. There have been suspicions and allegations for a long time about Andrew’s Trade Envoy role. It’s interesting that Charles had concerns all along that he would abuse his position, and the point Lownie makes about the RF wanting (as a first choice) to keep PA within the confines of the navy - in a desk role - where an eye could be kept on him, and where the damage he could do would be very limited, is really interesting.

Pps have suggested that, for PP, Andrew could do no wrong, but I don’t agree. Philip was a star naval cadet and had a highly successful career in the navy until he was forced to relinquish it. He was no fool and he must have been deeply disappointed in his son’s failure to make a success of the navy- which meant so much to Philip.

The more I read, the less convinced I become that Andrew’s awfulness is a result of being spoiled and indulged. This man has a screw loose. Sorry - I don’t mean to be offensive about mental conditions, but he seems to be almost psychopathic in his total lack of empathy or interest in others. He’s amoral and clearly doesn’t care who sees or knows about his behaviour. That in itself is an odd trait - most people who are wrongdoers feel a need to conceal it, and to try to appear better than they are, but even from early youth Andrew seems to have lacked this very human need.

Spoiled, indulged, uncorrected in his upbringing he may have been, but there’s something more than that going on here! Horribly fascinating.

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 14:37

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/08/2025 12:53

I find it interesting though that Charles apparently did try to block the appointment ...

Perhaps, @jeffgoldblum, but let's never forget that we only have the "source's" word that he did try to block it

I don't pretend to know either way, but it's equally possible Charles wouldn't have dared for fear of what Andrew might reveal if thwarted once too often, and that the claim was simply made to look the heir look better

But just as likely I think that Charles wanted to prevent a catastrophe!

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 14:39

CathyorClaire · 04/08/2025 14:11

The only thing that has ever needed tackling is his palpable determination to take centre stage/engage with the public when he gets the opportunity.

And back to the article: it's a bit disappointing to see AL hasn't addressed alleged fraudster Selman Turk's use of a Crown Estate owned Mayfair flat without any evidence of rental payments being made.

That coupled with the never properly explained Beckham daughter's 'Princess Party' held at BP suggests an investigation into the Yorks' use of royal property might be well worth pursuing.

Perhaps it will come up in the next instalment Cathy ?
heres hoping more will be revealed!

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Mylovelygreendress · 04/08/2025 14:40

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 13:44

I said without William and Kate in my posts about this, so really not sure what your point is

You think him and his ex wife of 30 years are fine leading members of the royal family into church, including Princess Anne and Edward and the rest of them. Excluding William and Kate as said.

I don't.

We can agree to disagree

But if they simply matched to the front what were Anne and Edward supposed to do ? Technically he is above them in the LOS which I am sure he would remind them .
The KC or W really need to take steps to remove A and H from the LOS or we will have more of these farcical situations.

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 14:44

CurlewKate · 04/08/2025 13:06

At least there’s one thing I’ve got in common with PA-I want a Faberge egg very much too. I wonder if we both want the same one…..

But I bet you appreciate the craftsmanship and beauty.

I suspect Andrew just sees money, investment, profit and prestige! So glad he didn’t get one.

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 14:51

Your post has made me think 🤔 @Mylovelygreendress, not about church 🙄🥱 , but about relationships between the siblings!
it’s been rumoured for years that Charles didn’t get on or like Andrew! But as far as I know ( and happy if anyone has information) we haven’t heard any about Anne or Edward’s feelings about Andrew! .
as we have witnessed recently and have heard previously Anne and Charles are quite close, they grew up more closely ( due to the age gap between them and Andrew and Edward) so I would assume that Anne would be more likely to share Charles view?
but have we had any gossip or rumours?
and Edward? He seemed a bit 🤏 obnoxious when younger but not on the same scale as Andrew and obviously it appears he long since grew out of that behaviour! , but is he close to Andrew or his two older siblings?
I can visualise Andrew lording it over Anne that he knocked her down the pecking order! Did he bully his younger brother too?
🤔

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jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 14:56

The more I read, the less convinced I become that Andrew’s awfulness is a result of being spoiled and indulged. This man has a screw loose

I think it is a mixture of traits and being indulged. He behaved awfully as a young boy, so the media says, he would goad animals, play practical jokes on everyone, I'm not sure he ever really grew up.

Add into the mix a Mother who indulged him and there we go. And I think Philip indulged him too... his school said he was 'a bit of a bully' yet his Father contradicted that saying he was 'a natural boss'. Andrew was everything Charles was not. And Philip liked that presumably.

I don't want to hijack your thread with links JeffG but this is an interesting read about his behaviour during childhood.

He was the sort of child that we all groan about when your son makes friends with them!
https://archive.ph/scoGm

MyDeftHedgehog · 04/08/2025 15:01

Over the past few years I have leaned towards giving Andrew the benefit of the doubt. But after reading the Daily mail serialisation this weekend I'm in absolutely no doubt that he is the nasty, arrogant, self entitled bully than many people have been saying for years

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 15:17

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 14:51

Your post has made me think 🤔 @Mylovelygreendress, not about church 🙄🥱 , but about relationships between the siblings!
it’s been rumoured for years that Charles didn’t get on or like Andrew! But as far as I know ( and happy if anyone has information) we haven’t heard any about Anne or Edward’s feelings about Andrew! .
as we have witnessed recently and have heard previously Anne and Charles are quite close, they grew up more closely ( due to the age gap between them and Andrew and Edward) so I would assume that Anne would be more likely to share Charles view?
but have we had any gossip or rumours?
and Edward? He seemed a bit 🤏 obnoxious when younger but not on the same scale as Andrew and obviously it appears he long since grew out of that behaviour! , but is he close to Andrew or his two older siblings?
I can visualise Andrew lording it over Anne that he knocked her down the pecking order! Did he bully his younger brother too?
🤔

His whole psychology fascinates me.

It's no news that Charles doesn't like him. I don't know about the others, but of course he'll show a different side of himself to his family. I'm sure when he went for a ride with his mother in her last years, he didn't ask her if she 'took it up the arse', or explain how he'd trousered X million pounds from a dodgy Arab businessman. Probably, to Princess Anne he's been just the boastful, arrogant, not-very-bright younger brother. The various Fergie scandals, though, and the Epstein scandal, must have made an impact on her.

Edward - I can't see them, of all the siblings, hitting it off, with Edward's early interest in the arts and much less gung-ho demeanour. I'm only surmising - but that's all we can do! I know someone who worked with Edward in Australia (or NZ....sorry, can't remember which) on a 'year out' activity and she said he was lovely. Looking at him, I really can't imagine he's cut from the same cloth as Andrew. Much more like a less intelligent Charles (disclaimer: yes, I know I'm only guessing here - but guessing from long interest and observation). He strikes me as not over-bright but well-meaning and harmless.

Yes, I can see all kinds of consequences in the siblings' characters which have resulted from their different childhood experiences. Charles's lack of maternal contact early on, the mismatch of his personality and his schooling, the failure to be the macho, uncomplicated character his father perhaps wanted. Anne - like Charles would have been brought up in a different way and a different time to her younger siblings and both would have been influenced by a more old-fashioned sense of duty and perhaps morality.

I read that, by the time Andrew and Edward were born, the Queen was employing a much more lenient and permissive nanny, so perhaps that, combined with her own favouritism, meant that Andrew lacked the early discipline he needed. But it doesn't explain the difference from Edward.

I've been in education most of my career and honestly, I've encountered boys like Andrew from a range of backgrounds. He might well have had some form of SEND, but I bet he was pretty unteachable, wouldn't be told, was unfazed by authority, had no empathy or concern for others and to whom the concept of personal shame was completely alien. What I'm saying is, you don't need to be royal to be that sort of person and being privileged and even spoiled doesn't (for me, anyway) explain his awful character.

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 15:18

Sorry for long post - this is fascinating to me!

binkie163 · 04/08/2025 15:29

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 11:47

Well - it’s obvious to me that there’s no love lost say, between KC and Andrew. They’ve never been close and in recent years the mutual dislike has been clear. When I last looked KC was trying to get him out of his mansion but there’s the little matter of UK law to consider, and he’s on a long lease. I think they’re trying to get rid on the grounds that he’s failed to maintain the property but these things aren’t easy or done overnight.

Of course the RF aren’t going to bad-mouth him publicly - they don’t do that about anyone, in or out of the family.

And Charles certainly learnt not to in public after the lip reading incident about Nicholas Whitchell 😂😂 I think almost everyone agreed.

MyDeftHedgehog · 04/08/2025 15:34

Edward has matured over the years, his marriage is the only one that lasted so that says something about he and Sophie.
I read an article a while ago about Sophie and it waa said that Diana was very jealous and behaved very spitefully towards her. That somewhat explodes the myth of the "people's Princess"
Sophie became a very close confidante of the Queen over the years x

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 15:37

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 15:17

His whole psychology fascinates me.

It's no news that Charles doesn't like him. I don't know about the others, but of course he'll show a different side of himself to his family. I'm sure when he went for a ride with his mother in her last years, he didn't ask her if she 'took it up the arse', or explain how he'd trousered X million pounds from a dodgy Arab businessman. Probably, to Princess Anne he's been just the boastful, arrogant, not-very-bright younger brother. The various Fergie scandals, though, and the Epstein scandal, must have made an impact on her.

Edward - I can't see them, of all the siblings, hitting it off, with Edward's early interest in the arts and much less gung-ho demeanour. I'm only surmising - but that's all we can do! I know someone who worked with Edward in Australia (or NZ....sorry, can't remember which) on a 'year out' activity and she said he was lovely. Looking at him, I really can't imagine he's cut from the same cloth as Andrew. Much more like a less intelligent Charles (disclaimer: yes, I know I'm only guessing here - but guessing from long interest and observation). He strikes me as not over-bright but well-meaning and harmless.

Yes, I can see all kinds of consequences in the siblings' characters which have resulted from their different childhood experiences. Charles's lack of maternal contact early on, the mismatch of his personality and his schooling, the failure to be the macho, uncomplicated character his father perhaps wanted. Anne - like Charles would have been brought up in a different way and a different time to her younger siblings and both would have been influenced by a more old-fashioned sense of duty and perhaps morality.

I read that, by the time Andrew and Edward were born, the Queen was employing a much more lenient and permissive nanny, so perhaps that, combined with her own favouritism, meant that Andrew lacked the early discipline he needed. But it doesn't explain the difference from Edward.

I've been in education most of my career and honestly, I've encountered boys like Andrew from a range of backgrounds. He might well have had some form of SEND, but I bet he was pretty unteachable, wouldn't be told, was unfazed by authority, had no empathy or concern for others and to whom the concept of personal shame was completely alien. What I'm saying is, you don't need to be royal to be that sort of person and being privileged and even spoiled doesn't (for me, anyway) explain his awful character.

I found your post interesting @CoffeeCantata, but will add one personal comment, as a mother of two sen children, I see absolutely nothing in Andrews behaviour to suggest this at all !
from meeting many Andrew types in my life, it is the behaviour of someone brought up to believe they are special and superior, most adults have the intellectual empathy to realise that this is not true, but Andrew is unfortunately the product of ego and false superiority contained in an individual with very little intellect or integrity.
I will say , I’m not painting him as a monster he obviously has the capacity to love and care for those close to him but his pomposity and feelings of entitlement have clearly moulded him into who we see today!
as for more permissive nannies, yes this could be the case but also as we all know parents become far more permissible themselves with the younger children particularly if there is a huge age gap !
I witnessed this myself, my brother ( older) and I have an age gap of 10 years between us and my two younger sisters!
for us my parents were strict, for my sisters , totally different parenting style!

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Stuckinasitiation · 04/08/2025 15:39

I would say Harry has turned out to be very similar.

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 15:42

Stuckinasitiation · 04/08/2025 15:39

I would say Harry has turned out to be very similar.

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I didn’t want to say it ! But yes I can see many similarities.

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binkie163 · 04/08/2025 15:46

blobby10 · 04/08/2025 12:12

What if they DID tell Andrew all that and he totally ignored them? What if he just turned up and barged to the front? Would it have been better if Princess Anne had engaged in a stand up argument with him in front of the press and public?

Yes please, I would pay good money for that. I can just imagine what she thinks of her brother and the ex wife.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 04/08/2025 16:06

What I don’t get is why the serving government didn’t put a stop to him being Trade Envoy, they knew what he was doing but let him continue, I know it was Her Majesty’s Government but the Queen should act on the instructions of said government so why was he allowed to continue unabated for ten years?

Briantheguitargod · 04/08/2025 16:13

rather a long busy thread, so sorry if its been covered, but has anyone read the book?

OccasionalHope · 04/08/2025 16:17

I;don’t think it’s actually been published yet.

LidlAmaretto · 04/08/2025 16:22

CathyorClaire · 04/08/2025 14:11

The only thing that has ever needed tackling is his palpable determination to take centre stage/engage with the public when he gets the opportunity.

And back to the article: it's a bit disappointing to see AL hasn't addressed alleged fraudster Selman Turk's use of a Crown Estate owned Mayfair flat without any evidence of rental payments being made.

That coupled with the never properly explained Beckham daughter's 'Princess Party' held at BP suggests an investigation into the Yorks' use of royal property might be well worth pursuing.

Yes there was something in the article about Epstein saying he'd 'met The Queen'. Well of course he had Andrew invited him and Maxwell to Balmoral to canoodle and allowed them to take pictures on the thrones at Buckingham palace! Its hardly a stretch that he took him to meet The Queen! The Beckham 'Princess Party' is an extremely unedifying story that was just swept under the carpet hurredly like so many things to do with Andrew.

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