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The yorks , new book by Andrew Lownie !

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jeffgoldblum · 02/08/2025 12:39

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apparently the author will be serialising his new book in the dm weekly!
thought we might like to follow the snippets 😁

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smilesy · 04/08/2025 11:44

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 11:33

I would not expect them to give a Newsnight interview talking about how awful Andrew is. 🤣

I am talking about stepping back, about not driving him around, about not letting him and his ex wife lead the royal family into church, and if there was the chance for a raised eyebrow or a veiled comment, that too.

They don't. I imagine they think he hasn't done anything wrong. Charles maybe not the case but he is landed with the problem that is Andrew, courtesy of his Mother. And there appears to be nowhere to go with it.

I’m pretty certain that they do think he is in the wrong, but they are also aware that he needs to be handled carefully to avoid further issues. He is a loud- mouthed, self entitled arse who likes to throw his weight about and is out for his own ends. However, it is probably in the family’s interests to mollify him to a certain extent extent so as to be able to control him as far as they are able. He has not attended any State occasions, apart from his mother’s funeral which it would have been difficult to stop him attending, and the Church walk to which you are alluding was in a public place where he is entitled to do as he wants, unfortunately. If Andrew was to be found guilty of any illegality then I believe he would quite rightly be hung out to dry by the family. It might almost be a relief to them. But as things stand, he hasn’t 🤷‍♀️

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 11:47

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 11:15

I could say you are 'spouting nonsense' but I actually wouldn't be so rude. Different opinions are allowed on your thread you know.

Of course I know about what the Royal family do and don't do. However, there have been times when veiled comments have been made that puts across true feelings about subjects by members of the Royal family.
They embrace him. They don't even try to make us think otherwise.

Well - it’s obvious to me that there’s no love lost say, between KC and Andrew. They’ve never been close and in recent years the mutual dislike has been clear. When I last looked KC was trying to get him out of his mansion but there’s the little matter of UK law to consider, and he’s on a long lease. I think they’re trying to get rid on the grounds that he’s failed to maintain the property but these things aren’t easy or done overnight.

Of course the RF aren’t going to bad-mouth him publicly - they don’t do that about anyone, in or out of the family.

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 11:54

I agree that his presence on church visits with the RF is ridiculous and needs to stop. But, for Christians, I’m sure the idea of banning someone, even (or especially), someone like Andrew, from church would be anathema.

Therefore if Andrew feels the sincere need to worship, or to perhaps contemplate or atone for his behaviour by going to church, he can jolly well do it some other time or at some other place. I would guess that the church walk is the only public royal activity now left to the sleazy prat and (given what I’ve said above) it would be awkward, but not impossible, to tell him to eff orff.

EmpressSisi · 04/08/2025 11:54

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 11:33

I would not expect them to give a Newsnight interview talking about how awful Andrew is. 🤣

I am talking about stepping back, about not driving him around, about not letting him and his ex wife lead the royal family into church, and if there was the chance for a raised eyebrow or a veiled comment, that too.

They don't. I imagine they think he hasn't done anything wrong. Charles maybe not the case but he is landed with the problem that is Andrew, courtesy of his Mother. And there appears to be nowhere to go with it.

To the best of my recollection, since 2020, Prince Andrew has only appeared in an official capacity at the funerals of his parents. At King Charles’ coronation, he attended purely as a guest, with no formal or ceremonial role.

There have been no appearances at Trooping the Colour, no participation in Commonwealth services, no state visits, and no public royal engagements—and that’s more than sufficient for me.

I don’t begrudge him attending his parents’ funerals, nor his presence at his brother’s coronation or any potential family weddings. As long as he’s not acting in any official capacity or representing the country, I have no issue. Everyone has a right to worship in the church of their choice and be with their family in private.

And as for the Royal Lodge situation—unfortunately, it’s tied up in legal and bureaucratic red tape, much of it inherited from the previous administration. It won’t be resolved anytime soon.

LidlAmaretto · 04/08/2025 11:56

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 11:33

I would not expect them to give a Newsnight interview talking about how awful Andrew is. 🤣

I am talking about stepping back, about not driving him around, about not letting him and his ex wife lead the royal family into church, and if there was the chance for a raised eyebrow or a veiled comment, that too.

They don't. I imagine they think he hasn't done anything wrong. Charles maybe not the case but he is landed with the problem that is Andrew, courtesy of his Mother. And there appears to be nowhere to go with it.

I agree. There is a lot they could do. As if the Royals only have one car so William just had to drive him to church, with him at the front for all to see. He could go to church with his family but be told in no uncertain terms to go round the back and that none of them were going to be in the parade.
This is what happens when you have unbridled obsequiousness surrounding you. Instead of listening to people, they surround themselves with toadying courtiers who endlessly cover up their mistakes and misjudgments and are desperate to put themselves in the firing line to protect the Monarchy. Now its all coming back to bite them on the bum (or bite Charles on the bum when all this was his mothers doing) They are surrounded by advisors, have the government at their beck and call to tell them what's going on. Why did no one act on it before now? They have been forced into all this because Virginia Guiffre didnt toe the line. If she had, Andrew would still be in the fold. They should release all the documents relating to his trade envoy escapades. Numerous concerns over and over about Andrew but the Royals and their staff but instead of nipping it in the bud they decide to do dodgy deals with the press and the government to cover it up and protect Andrew. Just behave decently FFS and you wont have any 'secrets' to be blackmailed about by your own relatives. They have enough money to live a decent life in luxury but still want to grub around for more. Its infuriating.

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:01

His appearance at the Church on that occasion was well discussed on here at the time - what could the RF do ? Lock him in the Tower? " a chance for a raised eyebrow" - how does that even translate in reality ?

Honestly how hard is it for someone (Charles, an aide, whoever,) to say to him in no uncertain terms "Andrew. You will walk into church behind everyone else. Do you understand". or "I have been instructed by his Majesty to tell you that you will walk into church behind everyone else"
Really not hard

LidlAmaretto · 04/08/2025 12:01

EmpressSisi · 04/08/2025 11:54

To the best of my recollection, since 2020, Prince Andrew has only appeared in an official capacity at the funerals of his parents. At King Charles’ coronation, he attended purely as a guest, with no formal or ceremonial role.

There have been no appearances at Trooping the Colour, no participation in Commonwealth services, no state visits, and no public royal engagements—and that’s more than sufficient for me.

I don’t begrudge him attending his parents’ funerals, nor his presence at his brother’s coronation or any potential family weddings. As long as he’s not acting in any official capacity or representing the country, I have no issue. Everyone has a right to worship in the church of their choice and be with their family in private.

And as for the Royal Lodge situation—unfortunately, it’s tied up in legal and bureaucratic red tape, much of it inherited from the previous administration. It won’t be resolved anytime soon.

He doesn't attend any official engagements because he isn't a working Royal. . He is not treated any differently to any of the other family members who have no official Royal duties. Yet he has behaved in a disgusting way and it looks like he has put National Security at risk numerous times. He is still gurning away on Royal family occasions and they are more than happy to be seen supporting him. No matter how many people say William, Charles and Edward 'cant stand' him.

Briantheguitargod · 04/08/2025 12:03

At King Charles’ coronation, he attended purely as a guest, with no formal or ceremonial role.

and got to play dress up.

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:09

LidlAmaretto · 04/08/2025 11:56

I agree. There is a lot they could do. As if the Royals only have one car so William just had to drive him to church, with him at the front for all to see. He could go to church with his family but be told in no uncertain terms to go round the back and that none of them were going to be in the parade.
This is what happens when you have unbridled obsequiousness surrounding you. Instead of listening to people, they surround themselves with toadying courtiers who endlessly cover up their mistakes and misjudgments and are desperate to put themselves in the firing line to protect the Monarchy. Now its all coming back to bite them on the bum (or bite Charles on the bum when all this was his mothers doing) They are surrounded by advisors, have the government at their beck and call to tell them what's going on. Why did no one act on it before now? They have been forced into all this because Virginia Guiffre didnt toe the line. If she had, Andrew would still be in the fold. They should release all the documents relating to his trade envoy escapades. Numerous concerns over and over about Andrew but the Royals and their staff but instead of nipping it in the bud they decide to do dodgy deals with the press and the government to cover it up and protect Andrew. Just behave decently FFS and you wont have any 'secrets' to be blackmailed about by your own relatives. They have enough money to live a decent life in luxury but still want to grub around for more. Its infuriating.

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Great post!

Yes, as if they were trying to save petrol by car sharing!
And he and ex wife led the family into church for a memorial service, even Princess Anne was toddling along behind him!

I sometimes think the whole Institution just does not think things through. Terribly bad optics that they don't seem to think about in advance

I hope these Lownie revelations are making them sit up and think a bit. Faint hope probably

EmpressSisi · 04/08/2025 12:11

LidlAmaretto · 04/08/2025 12:01

He doesn't attend any official engagements because he isn't a working Royal. . He is not treated any differently to any of the other family members who have no official Royal duties. Yet he has behaved in a disgusting way and it looks like he has put National Security at risk numerous times. He is still gurning away on Royal family occasions and they are more than happy to be seen supporting him. No matter how many people say William, Charles and Edward 'cant stand' him.

Yes, Andrew no longer undertakes official royal engagements, but it’s misleading to suggest he’s treated like any other non-working royal. He was publicly stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the late Queen, and explicitly barred from using “His Royal Highness” in any official capacity. That’s a significant and very public rebuke.

Yes, he appears at some family occasions, but those are private or ceremonial events—not public-facing royal duties. His presence at his parents’ funerals and his brother’s coronation was familial, not professional. He had no ceremonial role, no uniform at major events, and no inclusion on the palace balcony—unlike working royals. To say he’s “gurning away” as if he’s being publicly celebrated misses the point that he’s been visibly sidelined.

As for national security risks or allegations of misconduct—those are serious concerns, but they’ve been widely reported and condemned. It’s also true that public support for him is extremely low, and palace insiders have made efforts to ensure he doesn’t return to public life. His continued exclusion from Trooping the Colour, state visits, and any official representation of the Crown reflects that.

There’s a clear distinction between allowing a disgraced family member to grieve with loved ones and reinstating them as a public figure. The royals have, so far, kept that line drawn.

blobby10 · 04/08/2025 12:12

What if they DID tell Andrew all that and he totally ignored them? What if he just turned up and barged to the front? Would it have been better if Princess Anne had engaged in a stand up argument with him in front of the press and public?

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:15

Nowhere have I suggested a stand-up scrap in Windsor 😂😅🤣
Rather dramatic!
Do you imagine that he is such a moron that he would not listen to an instruction?

I am sure Charles holds purse strings somewhere and there would be leverage.

ThatAvidViewer · 04/08/2025 12:15

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:09

Great post!

Yes, as if they were trying to save petrol by car sharing!
And he and ex wife led the family into church for a memorial service, even Princess Anne was toddling along behind him!

I sometimes think the whole Institution just does not think things through. Terribly bad optics that they don't seem to think about in advance

I hope these Lownie revelations are making them sit up and think a bit. Faint hope probably

When Prince Andrew walked to church and appeared to be “leading” the family, it looked bad, yes — but it was misleading. They were walking according to royal protocol, which is based on rank and precedence. That’s why Princess Anne was behind him. The optics weren’t great, I agree, but it wasn’t him being placed in a position of honour.

And let's be honest — he’s only at church services and that’s it. He’s not carrying out royal duties, he’s lost his military titles and patronages, and the King has reportedly been trying to move him out of Royal Lodge. The problem is, he has a long-standing lease, and legally, Charles can’t just throw him out.

So what more do people want? Ban him from church altogether? He’s already lost almost everything publicly. If the King did bar him from attending church, people would complain about that too, especially given that Charles is the head of the Church of England. And if Andrew snuck in the back entrance, people would still criticise them for “hiding” him. It’s a no-win situation.

The Royal Family is clearly distancing themselves — but they also can’t erase him from existence. There’s a line between holding someone accountable and making a media spectacle out of every small move. I think they’ve drawn that line pretty clearly.

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:18

When Prince Andrew walked to church and appeared to be “leading” the family, it looked bad, yes — but it was misleading. They were walking according to royal protocol, which is based on rank and precedence. That’s why Princess Anne was behind him. The optics weren’t great, I agree, but it wasn’t him being placed in a position of honour

Really? I have never noticed that Andrew always goes in front of Anne when they are walking anywhere.
What a great message it would have given out if he was at the back, wouldn't it?

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:19

And if Andrew snuck in the back entrance, people would still criticise them for “hiding” him. It’s a no-win situation.

I think the majority of people would think that was entirely appropriate

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 12:22

blobby10 · 04/08/2025 12:12

What if they DID tell Andrew all that and he totally ignored them? What if he just turned up and barged to the front? Would it have been better if Princess Anne had engaged in a stand up argument with him in front of the press and public?

A very good point! We actually don’t know that they didn’t and he ignored it !
just as we don’t know whether they support him , or even like him , we don’t know, they never comment ( it’s academic whether they can’t or don’t) .
people speculate from their own opinions one way or another, but we don’t know !
their silence could condemn or support, we don’t know.
there are no facts, we don’t know.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/08/2025 12:22

abbey44 · 04/08/2025 10:20

I don’t know how to do the archive link to avoid the DM paywall, but today’s excerpt deals with Andrew’s business dealings and finances and is pretty shocking. Not surprising exactly, but the murkiness of who he’s been connected with and the implications are potentially quite sinister. Surely there has to be an official investigation now….?

I very much doubt there'll be any investigation at all, abbey44, since as with the idea of removing titles the idea can quickly spread if they started down that path

As so many have said, both Harry and Andrew - repulsive as much of their behaviour is - are a very handy lightning rod for the rest, and the focus on them enables a lot more to go unexamined

ThatAvidViewer · 04/08/2025 12:24

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:18

When Prince Andrew walked to church and appeared to be “leading” the family, it looked bad, yes — but it was misleading. They were walking according to royal protocol, which is based on rank and precedence. That’s why Princess Anne was behind him. The optics weren’t great, I agree, but it wasn’t him being placed in a position of honour

Really? I have never noticed that Andrew always goes in front of Anne when they are walking anywhere.
What a great message it would have given out if he was at the back, wouldn't it?

Yes, really. The late Queen and now King Charles always arrive last — that’s part of royal protocol. The walking order is based on rank and precedence, not personal preference or affection. So when Prince Andrew walked ahead of Princess Anne, it wasn’t a sign of honour or favour — it’s just how the system works.

I totally get that for the general public, who may not know these traditions, the optics looked bad. But if he had been placed at the back, that would have broken protocol — and ironically, that would’ve implied he was being given a leading role instead.

So while I agree it wasn’t a great visual, it wasn’t some message of support or endorsement either. It was protocol, nothing more.

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 12:27

Anyway does anyone actually want to discuss the new instalments of Andrews scandals?
posters complained that h and m were being discussed ( although they were mentioned in the article) , now it seems the same posters wish to discuss the royal family not involved instead of the actual issues! 🤷‍♀️

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Thedom · 04/08/2025 12:29

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:01

His appearance at the Church on that occasion was well discussed on here at the time - what could the RF do ? Lock him in the Tower? " a chance for a raised eyebrow" - how does that even translate in reality ?

Honestly how hard is it for someone (Charles, an aide, whoever,) to say to him in no uncertain terms "Andrew. You will walk into church behind everyone else. Do you understand". or "I have been instructed by his Majesty to tell you that you will walk into church behind everyone else"
Really not hard

Well, based on what we know about him, he has no morals, doesn't care about how his actions affect the institution, his immediate or extended family, nor how he is perceived. I wouldn't be surprised if he just told Charles et al to Fuck Off, Charles allegedly overruled William about driving Andrew to church, but I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew just hopped into the front seat of Williams car, William did not look happy at all.

Andrew was warned off Epstein, yet he still went and hung out with him in public, Gadaffi ? Eastern European dictators? he clearly does whatever he wants and doesn't care about the optics or the fallout, once there was a buck to made for him, his ex wife and his daughters..

A lot of this has been reported over the years, just not in such detail and to see it all collated together in one tome is shocking..

Will be interesting to see what come out about Sarah or the daughters.

ThatAvidViewer · 04/08/2025 12:30

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:19

And if Andrew snuck in the back entrance, people would still criticise them for “hiding” him. It’s a no-win situation.

I think the majority of people would think that was entirely appropriate

Even if they had him arrive separately or slip in a side entrance, people would still criticise it, saying the Royal Family is trying to hide that he's attending church.

That said, I actually agree that it would be better if he did go in quietly and avoid being photographed. It would show some self-awareness and respect for public feeling.

Why doesn’t he do that? Honestly, probably ego. He doesn’t seem willing to step fully out of the spotlight.

jeffgoldblum · 04/08/2025 12:36

September 2001 Andrew officially took up his new role as special representative, succeeding the Duke of Kent, who had held the post since 1976. The job was unpaid, but he received a stipend of £249,000 a year from his mother, who approved the appointment. He was entitled to claim expenses.
Andrew would be directed by ministers. An assistant private secretary with trade experience was seconded from the Foreign Office to support him.
Senior Foreign Office sources declared that he would be kept on a tight rein to ensure he had no opportunity to let his personal interests interfere with his official duties as the figurehead of the export industry: ‘There is no way that we will let British trade policy be determined by the location of the world’s best golf courses.’
It was claimed that Prince Charles tried to block Andrew’s new role as ‘a disaster waiting to happen’. A Palace source said the Prince of Wales was extremely concerned that Andrew ‘won’t be able to resist the temptation of mixing business with pleasure’.

interesting snippet here! , if true it appears Charles did attempt to interfere but was ignored for some reason.

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LidlAmaretto · 04/08/2025 12:36

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:18

When Prince Andrew walked to church and appeared to be “leading” the family, it looked bad, yes — but it was misleading. They were walking according to royal protocol, which is based on rank and precedence. That’s why Princess Anne was behind him. The optics weren’t great, I agree, but it wasn’t him being placed in a position of honour

Really? I have never noticed that Andrew always goes in front of Anne when they are walking anywhere.
What a great message it would have given out if he was at the back, wouldn't it?

Royal protocol is something they have made up to rank themselves in order of importance. Some of the stupid rules they have decided to bind themselves with have no consequence to anyone but themselves. Its utter nonsense. They could change it if they wanted to . This is a mess entirely of their own making as a family.
Edited to add after reading the original reply- Surely if the lowest ranking goes first, Anne, as a woman and behind Andrew in the line of succession would be ahead of Andrew? It should go Anne and family, Edward and family, Andrew and family, William and family them Charles and Camilla.

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 12:36

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:01

His appearance at the Church on that occasion was well discussed on here at the time - what could the RF do ? Lock him in the Tower? " a chance for a raised eyebrow" - how does that even translate in reality ?

Honestly how hard is it for someone (Charles, an aide, whoever,) to say to him in no uncertain terms "Andrew. You will walk into church behind everyone else. Do you understand". or "I have been instructed by his Majesty to tell you that you will walk into church behind everyone else"
Really not hard

He could say that but from what I read, see and sense about Andrew, he’d just dig his heels in an defy the instruction and no-one would be able to stop him if they were being filmed.

But you have now conjured up a farcical’walking race’ to church, with PA overtaking image in my mind!🤣

jumpingthehighjump · 04/08/2025 12:38

CoffeeCantata · 04/08/2025 12:36

He could say that but from what I read, see and sense about Andrew, he’d just dig his heels in an defy the instruction and no-one would be able to stop him if they were being filmed.

But you have now conjured up a farcical’walking race’ to church, with PA overtaking image in my mind!🤣

That is really funny, I haven't seen those walking races with men in short shorts for years!

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