Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

She'd love it. Imagine how powerful it would make her feel!

Lots of fodder for after-dinner speeches too: a 1,000-year old institution riddled with racism and privilege has no place in the 21st century.....wimmin must step into their power....entrenched misogyny....as a mom....though an Anglo-centric lens....legacy of Empire....I am 43% Nigerian....when I sat on the throne for the first time, I go 'I'm home'...I'm not queen YET....my consort is a FOX; he's very, very handsome....Archie said to me 'momma, princely knickbockers woven in silken thread are not for me'.... 'continuing the legacy of Her Majesty'....Lili looks sooo good wearing blood diamonds....blood is red - until it's blue....Holy water is so life of christ; at my coronation, my scalp will be sprinkled with Holy Flower Sprinkles....

@IdaGlossop

You forgot about the P and G letter at age 11 ! That surely warrants a mention ?

How could I forget? It would slot in nicely as an example after 'Wilmington stepping into their power '.

They do have a UK pr person.

I see Meghan posted on insta sending birthday wine to “ladies near and far” hinting Camilla was getting some for her birthday today?!?

I posted the article earlier today .
Not sure if she is referring to Camilla but , if she is ( which I very much doubt) it follows her style of not using anyone’s title ( whilst insisting on her own being used!)

That's a very good point - and Harry has clearly shown he doesn't understand it (witness requests for intervention re security) so can't guide them.

I'm sure Camilla will knock up a good coq au vin with it.

If the Sussexes really want to improve their PR here they need to start employing British PR professionals.

Didn't they have one for a time?

One of their (many) problems is that no-one stays with them long enough to build up knowledge and experience in the role and develop relationships with opposite numbers.

I really think she'd feel like the cat who'd got the cream if the RF crashed and burned all because of her!

The monarchy survived Caroline of Brunswick's attempt to gatecrash the coronation of George IV, and she had far greater public support than M has ever had. I think it can survive whatever these two throw at it from Monteshitshow.

I think an institution which has lasted a thousand years will outlast the Sussexes - I just hope there aren't too many casualties on the way.

Ooh yuk - the nerve of the woman! 🤮

I did wonder why there was just one bottle of wine.

I don't think William or Charles will lose sight of the fact that, irrespective of Harry and his tantrums, the monarchy comes first.

Charles has the example of his mother to look to, plus he's waited his entire life to get to where he is now. I think he appreciates his time as King won't be long and that he doesn't have long to make his mark - he won't want to go down in history as the king who let his ludicrously entitled and out of touch son bring the whole edifice crashing down.

He famously doesn't like confrontation, but I also don't think he's a pushover. I think, like most people, he has a point beyond which he'll be pushed no further, and I think/hope Harry has tested Charles, in his role as king, if not as a father, to the limit,

Charles will also be mindful of the things Harry has said about Camilla I'm sure so will be very wary of allowing Harry back in any meaningful sense. Plus, he's apparently fond of William and must be able to see that the monarchy, in William's hands, will be fairly safe. Charles is reportedly extremely fond of Catherine, and of course his grandchildren, so I'd bet my house on him seeing the bigger picture and not entertaining any way back for Harry.

And of course, presumably Charles has excellent advisers around him, and any of them worth their salt must surely know that there's no way back for H and M. They're just so unpopular. They wouldn't give M the satisfaction of bringing the monarchy down (I'm sorry, I can't remember whose post I read this in now!) although I've no doubt she'd love that.

The only issue I can forsee is that if William decides he's had enough. He may see the strain that his father is under, he may be sick to the back teeth of his brother and his shenanigans, he may realise that his wife's health has deteriorated as a result of this mess etc, and just decide he's off! (I know it's nowhere as easy as that but you get the picture!). I don't think he'll do that but who knows ...

William won’t step aside. He knows all that would accomplish is pushing the issues to George (remember even if W renounces the throne it doesn’t change the line of succession below him and all his children are not of age to be able to step aside even if they wanted to).

If he did as stands G would be the next King with a Regent (possibly Anne or Edward ?) until he became an adult.

I can’t see any situation that W would do this and Catherine also agreeing to it.

I think Harry wants to reconcile just to get his security back (which I don't think it would be possible, he would have to be a full time working royal but he's so daft that he doesn't realise it or wants daddy to pay for his security privately). Megan is likely the one to have leaked. I think she thought that by pushing the narrative of a reconciliation on the way, they'll get more contracts signed or even keep the Netflix one. I saw an article that Netflix were planning on cancelling or not renewing their contract.

I don't think they or at least Megan want a reconciliation, they want the press/people to think there's one in the way to increase their value/money making prospects. A reconciliation would take months, so in that time they could get more contracts signed.

Obviously, I think that by leaking the story KC and BP put any attempt of reconciliation in the backburner because they can't be trusted at all.

Rumour on X is that H set up the meeting to ask for money as he can’t afford to pay his legal costs for the recent case he lost🤷‍♀️

This raises the interesting possibility of H being detained at His Majesty's pleasure. Reconciliation sorted. The courts could argue H has renounced his royal status and is therefore not protected by royal privilege.

@Wundy

Great assessment- and one I hope is correct.

There's no such thing as 'royal privilege' in any legal sense. The monarch, as Head of State, is immune from prosecution but no other member of the royal family has any special legal status. When Princess Anne faced charges for speeding, her legal status was that of 'commoner'. As a Duke, Harry would be belong to the legal category of 'peer' but these days that counts for very little before the law.

I very much doubt William would step aside but he would seperate royal duties and family (Charles) commitments. I don't think he'd mind too much either. The bonus being as far away from Andrew as he could manage.

According to that poster (wish I could find it!), Tobyn left with it, too.

I didn't know that only the head of state is 'privileged'. Bad news for H.

@Rhaidimiddim hi, so he took the wine to and from the meeting. Yet a podcast linked to here suggested taking the wine to the meeting could indicate he was a guest of the other two. But surely if that was the case he’d have taken two bottles with him and left without them.

It’s all bonkers 🙈

I think Harry wants to reconcile just to get his security back (which I don't think it would be possible, he would have to be a full time working royal

Even full time working royals don't get the level of security he wants.

And even the Waleses, who do get round the clock security, don't get that kind of close protection. Of course it's there, but it's very discreet - as when William was in South London a while ago and people were surrounding him in the street, or when he and George were at the football.

I can't find it now, but at the time of the Bezos wedding there was a pic of Kim Kardashian, walking through an airport I think, surrounded by five or six bodyguards. I think that's what M and H are after, and what they are most emphatically not going to get. The RF just don't do that kind of obtrusive security.

Jamie Kern Lima's birthday yesterday. Witney Wolfe Herd earlier this month. Abigail Spencer next month (same day as Meghan, I think). I imagine those are the birthday girls Meghan is referring to.

Charlotte Griffiths on the latest Palace Confidential from the DM. I haven't watched it yet, so don't know what she's going to say. Looks like they will be trying Meghan's wine as well.