Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

It's utterly ridiculous. Anne has been a working royal since she was 18. She hasn't slagged any of the RF off in all that time, she's far too professional.

And everything we have seen suggests she is extremely supportive of her brother as King. Why would she cause him distress by undermining his son and heir?

She wouldn't. She is a loyal person, to her brother and to the Crown. I call BS.

So I take it NF won't be selling her products then .

Guess it depends if they're in stock?

Here's my view FWIW ( and it may be worth nothing) . I have thought up until now that taking HRH completely away - stripping H&M of their titles would look a bit spiteful by the RF. That said H&M , I think have been spiteful themselves. But after H's interview about the good old fashioned Establishment stitch up ( Inter alia ) - I would as a starting point make H's DoS title a lifetime not hereditary one. So it goes back to the RF after him ( like Edward's DoE title) . If that happens - A gets no hereditary title ( am I right there ? ) and Prince and Princess will just fade like Beatrice and Eugenie whose children get no titles at all. It would be a half way house maybe. ? I do understand KC can take away the HRH - and I think he should do it. I think he should set in motion the diminution of the H line. Just me

I used to do pilates with a genuine European princess. Did she ever use that title - no she didn't . But , I think there may have come a time when a point is made about H&M being not a real part of the WRF and therefore not to be seen as "properly Royal". Personally I think they are looking more and more Ruritanian but I do think a thing which would be pointed to which cut them out of titles etc might be a slow train coming but I think more sensible by the day. I I never thought I would say that.

I may have explained that badly - won't be the first time - won't be the last.

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Destitution would not merely mean financially destitute. Lives can turn, very quickly, even Royal lives. Continuing drug use, being chucked out by Meghan, mental health issues. Then Harry would need rescuing, even if not financially.

Charles could do the same as Margrethe of Denmark, who took away the titles of Prince/Princess of the children of her second son, Joachim, on the grounds that they would never have an official role. I know that Joachim said he wasn't happy about that, but does anyone know how the general public in Denmark viewed that?

(Though I suppose Harry would blame racism for any move like that.)

Sorry, just spotted this reply. Absolutely they are. We’ve had robust discussions over the years, it’s stimulating. What isn’t welcome is sneery posts telling others off whilst making wild claims in favour of H and MM which are wholly unsubstantiated. Those are the sort of posts which shut down debate, not encourage it..

I agree with this. H&M have zero credibility or relevence. They will soon be the 'Samantha Markle' desperate empty vessel.

However I think that if the RF hang on long enough the dynamic and focus will change - as they might well divorce and any mud slinging will be between them both rather than at the RF.

MM pattern of behaviour is classic narc - idealise, devalue, discard - she has done this with her oldest childhood friend, her father, her bestie in Canada, her husband, her boyfriend, her agent - and I suspect recently her mother Doria - it never eneds with these types and PH is next in line as last man standing.

Time is completely on William’s side. In 10 years’ time Harry will be 50+ and the Wales children (for better or worse, poor youngsters) will be the focus of press and public interest. They’re a good- looking brood and I can just imagine the media frenzy as they grow up.

I think H’s problem is now finding some kind of purpose and relevance in life now his royal connection is wearing off. Just what is he for? While it’s great if Meghan can find a way to make money for them, it doesn’t sit well with posing as royals too. I don’t think they can have it both ways and Harry’s massively the loser in this scenario. Their future isn’t bright.

I’m sure the RF are contemplating various options. Annoying though it is for H& M to insist on royal titles in the republic of the US, the RF might decide that the best option is to leave them to it and let them look increasingly ridiculous as their royal connection recedes into the distance.

im sure one of the reasons for the recent ‘talks’ was that Harry in particular is desperate to cling on to his royal status and wants to polish it up somehow.

Harry seemed to happiest when in Africa, he could have taken his Netflix crew over there and done a DIY SOS type thing , built a school, put water pipes in, built a hospital, instead of moping about and hiring himself out to speak on topics he knows nothing about.

Interesting that the Sussexes’ representative was in London last week and all of a sudden, we have two negative stories about the two most senior figures in the RF. Hmm.

While I agree that is his thing and he genuinely seems to be keen to do it, I think the view of that sort of activity has changed and there would be accusations of White Saviourism.

Which is unfortunate for Harry because I think that’s where he imagined his future would lie.

I think if there is a reconciliation, that Princess of Wales will play a significant role in this, not because she’s been cornered and made to do so, but because she would step up as required for the greater good. Princess Catherine appears stable, sensible, professional, thoughtful and a mature team-player. I have a lot of respect for her public persona (well, as much as one can, now that I’ve seen how superb the RF PR machine is).

She will make a fine Queen one day in the hopefully distant future. It’s easy to forget that she wasn’t born into royalty and would have had been trained in the RF ways as an adult. She is an example of what can be achieved by a non-royal person given the right character, intelligence (including emotional), family support, discipline and practice etc.

I reckon she can and will handle any reconciliation perfectly. I can’t see any way that Meghan would, had she been in Catherine’s position.

That sounds like one of those gap year schemes, where whatever is built is knocked down again for the next lot of teens coming in. I would bet good money he knows next to nothing about Africa, other than shilling for US government/eco-colonial land grabbing interests through HALO and African Parks. His love of Africa seems to have involved hob bobbing with wealthy African families and a bit of humanitarian play acting (being his mum). I think something was in the pipeline with Netflix. The dreadful Sussex supporter, Dr Tessa Dunlop, said that her friend was in Africa (or engaged to be) filming on behalf of a Netflix documentary for Harry - but that was not long before the African Parks scandal hit.

Not forgetting dating an African woman (but being quick to reassure people that she wasn’t black of course).

Yes, quite! They’ve gone a bit quiet on their Nigeria connection too.

Isn't Meghan 43% Nigerian, @RandyRedHumpback ? Nothing more of that connection.

They publicly slaughtered their golden goose, I don't think there is anything they can do now to recover any level of credibility.

Harry doing a white saviour programme in Africa would be the icing on the cake. His Angola trip has been roundly criticised and mostly negative commentary around it, before Oprah and Netflix, that negativity would not have happened to the extent it happens now, they showed who they are and most people don't buy into their philanthropy efforts any more.

No I don’t think so. I don’t think M greeted the Nigerian team at the Canadian Invictus games earlier this year. Actually she has much more cause to do an African based documentary than Harry, exploring her ancestral roots.

Yeah, Harry was interested in living the White Mischief life - polo, g&ts, posho mates (and matesses) with a bit of saviourism thrown in.

Catherine would be a great mediator if she didn't have her own children's privacy to protect, never mind her own.