Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

That was directly after their Australia tour, where she showed one too many journalists what she's really made of, cups of tea flying, Fiji market meltdown. Looks like they were planning to leave pretty early on.

Small creatures can and do die of stress. Silly people like H & M need to see the scenario through the eyes of the wild birds - they don’t understand what’s happening and think they’re being hunted. That’s why you only intervene in life or death situations.

And me 😂😂😂

Neither has the empathy to see through the eyes of people they have attacked and used , it’s unlikely at this point that they would extend that to animals.

Has anyone seen the YouTube channel Bad Lipreading? What it has taught me is that lip reading is rather subjective and open to a lot of interpretation.

These are forensic lip-readers and if you watch the doc, you’ll see how very thorough and cautious they are.

Are these the kind of facts you mentioned sticking to earlier?

‘You couldn’t make it up‘ It’s completely made up. HTH.

More hard evidence being denied.

You can’t help some folk!

Hard evidence? Yikes. And this is why there’s no point arguing with certain people.

Maybe I've been put off by Judy James in the Mail but it always seems to me that most media lip readers and behaviour consultants invariably see and hear what the theme or the programme wants them too. I like The Behaviour Panel because they don't seem to have an agenda and are always keen to emphasise the need for baselines.

I will have a listen to the Vintage Read. I always value her commentary, and she's getting quite exasperated with it all, judging by her recent output

As am I, this from the Vintage Read is exactly how I feel.

Cheers @BigWillyLittleTodger , I will have a listen.

As she says after everything they have done they are still on the website, what will it take to remove them? Clearly they can do and say what they like, they are protected and untouchable no matter what they do, they must feel incredibly powerful whilst playing the victim card. Why haven’t they been questioned for a wildlife crime? Though Harry’s wildlife crimes in this country have been covered up so he knows he’s probably untouchable in America as well.

Going back to the ‘Spare’ episode about HMLQ’s demise, someone wondered upthread why on earth Harry didn’t realise how people would perceive this, and thus him. IMO it goes back to the bubble mentality- ‘i think this so everyone will’. It reminds me of the bit in Ashley Cole’s autobiography when he’s describing his agent telling him he was ‘only’ getting a weekly salary of some enormous amount beyond the wildest dreams of most people, and he was so insulted/shocked he nearly drove his super car into a tree. He was mercilessly and quite rightly mocked for this.

similarly, I don’t think H&M realised how badly the exaggerated curtsey would land. I think she saw it as ‘cutesy ditsy American meets daft old Brit customs’ without contemplating the insult it would be to the Queen.

We’ve been talking on the Salt Path threads about how some people can be faced with facts yet still not accept them. I find lots of parallels with H&M fans. NB what with that, this discussion and the Sandie Peggie tribunal it’s a miracle I’m doing any work at all 🤣

I don’t think H&M realised how badly the exaggerated curtsey would land. I think she saw it as ‘cutesy ditsy American meets daft old Brit customs’ without contemplating the insult it would be to the Queen.

And also the idea that someone who had had ballet lessons and was a trained actress should not know how to curtsey. Or that an intelligent woman couldn't find out beforehand. It made her look disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst.

So another thread devolved into name calling and derangement.

Whats new 😂

You appear to have posted on the wrong thread .

Hello Sussex Squaddie! Did you get your Rose yet?

If he is indeed buying up small SM outlets, then the RF should make him pay his own legal bills and the Heritage Foundation has my blessing.

Oh that nasty swipe in the Netflix programme. Let's just mock an institution that's given us everything we have. Horrible

I used to watch the Behaviour Panel , until I saw Scott Rouse being really arsey to some people who were calling them out when they got the Gabby Petito analysis so wrong .
Body language and lip reading are interesting but not an exact science.

Absolutely. That's disappointing to hear about but I think any kind of fame can go to people's heads and they can lose humility about their opinions and basic manners.

For as long as Harry and Meghan are on the website, and their children have titles, BP can semi-control their behaviour. There will be things Harry (but not Meghan, because she has nothing to lose by doing so) will even to this day refrain from saying and doing so as not to be completely ex-communicated. Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. William would be a fool to cut them off entirely when he accedes to the throne. At that point, they could and, I think, would inflict proper damage if he cuts them loose. They will have plenty of ammunition to make both William and Catherine look bad, fabricated or not. As we can see, facts don't seem to matter anymore (commentary on most world affairs these days).

And I think H&M probably do have legitimate gripes against certain individuals and/or the Firm: you don't get to be a reigning monarchy for 1000 years without knowing how to keep pests or villains at bay. It's probably not 50-50, given who was paying the bills before they left, but I don't think there's nothing there. But it won't be significant if Meghan has been able to move on with only the odd throwaway reference to stuff that happened 8 years ago. If it were anything significant, we know she'd have capitalized on it. After all, she's capitalizing on the most tenuous of claims to legitimacy (hostess, jam maker, doyenne of Montecito etc). Harry, on the other hand, is extremely good at holding grudges so he will nurse even the tiniest slight to the grave. When he demands that apologies be made to his wife, we all know it'll be because - I don't know - Catherine didn't share her Givenchy contacts and left Meghan to wear Reiss to a public engagement some time in 2018.

Meghan is the driving force because none of these people matter to her. Not her family, not her history, not her home, not her memories, not her history - she is free to take or leave them without a backwards glance (and we've seen with other people that she's very good at that), and move her family forward.

Willing self-deception is a strange thing, and something I can't fathom. But maybe it's the way some people cope with the tough world we live in. It gives comfort but asks you to believe unlikely things, rather as religion used to do

Absolutely, @CoffeeCantata, and that's why I don't engage with it.
Nothing wrong with differing views if at least there's some substance behind what folk opt to believe, but when it comes down to merely parroting the usual mantras I'm out

As for the lip reading thing, I've not seen the piece yet - am on a ship and only dipping into MN in downtime - but I'll admit to having doubts about its reliability too.
That said I remind myself it seems to work pretty well for the hearing impaired, so maybe I'm doing the readers an injustice

Just catching up…

I really advise sceptics to watch the programme. The lip-readers they use are forensic ones used by the police, and if you watch them you’ll see how cautious and professional they are. I think both are either profoundly deaf or at least hearing- impaired, so clearly such people are as expert as it’s possible to be in that field.

im not here to convince pps - but do give it a go, because it’s fascinating and funny in parts, especially what Charles says to Camilla at their wedding.🤣

I found it totally convincing but make your own minds up.