Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

I know, when it gets on to Diana there's no end to it!

Actually, the book says the "Princess of Wales" was in the room at the time. The PoW at the time was Camilla, although she never used that title (for obvious reasons). Scobie deliberately has left the matter ambiguous and has not bothered to provide clarity about who he meant, just cried "victim", ie that he's the victim of some nasty Dutch translator putting things into the book that weren't in his manuscript (how does that happen, Scobie?). Meanwhile, everyone has taken it to mean Catherine and run with it.

They met 13 times I think before the engagement was announced.

Until her father inherited the earldom and they moved to Althorp, Diana and her family lived in a house on the Sandringham estate.

William is the one who really gets to decide how Diana is remembered by the RF, and I imagine he would consider it really distastetful to appear to be in some kind of competition with H over Diana's memory.

My real point actually is that Diana said she wanted out and her sisters told her that it was too late. That’s on her family. Not the royals

Yes, it was her sisters a few days before the wedding when she told them she’d found a piece of jewellery Charles was giving Camilla - Diana had at first thought it was for her. Anyway she told her sisters she was having second thoughts and their reply to her was - too late ducks, your name’s already on the tea towels.

understand she 'left' an abusive marriage - possibly told she couldnt see her DCs

The story behind it is horrendous and Google is your friend.

But prior to that when the original allegations were made in the OW interview - M&H were happy to let the speculation run wild and tar almost every member of the whole family with suspicion in the weeks that they were managing the end of life care for PP.

The the Scobie stuff was a further punch in the guts to focus down on KC3 and QC or PC. They did well there - two bites of the cherry with maximum smear when the only royal with multiple records of racial abuse is PH himself:

Called the French LL of his local pub a 'f**king fr$g'

Called his military colleague a 'r$g-he$d' and a 'p$ki'

Told his friends not to worry as his GF although from Africa 'wasn't black or anything'.

Wore a Nazi uniform.

These are the only ones we are aware of - but he sees fit to lecture the world on 'unconscious bias' and point the finger at others.

I think Harry is a royal and is struggling with life as a private citizen.
You can see where he shines and is struggling to emulate his status when he was a working royal, but he’s not really succeeding.
I really don’t like MM but I can’t blame her entirely because H is the one who wouldn’t take his time to induct MM into royal life.
She may have been a little more reticent to marry had she understood the complexity of what being a royal means.
I think the Queen didn’t want a repeat of the Wallis-Simpson debacle and gave in to Harry’s wishes.

They wouldn’t have been the first people to try to convince someone having second thoughts it was too late. I have known of two weddings where the wedding car drove round the block several times trying to persuade the bride to go through with it. Both marriages ended up in divorce.

Seemingly they’re not coming back.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14919249/Harry-Meghan-Britain-aides-King-secret-peace-summit.html

In my family my poor aunt was dumped a month before the wedding. She was only 22 and they had just returned from a visit to the USA to meet his parents for the first time (that stung).

Everything cancelled. Except they forgot the wedding car - which turned up on the street outside festooned with ribbons for all the curtain twitchers to see one Saturday morning......

That’s awful - I do hope things got better for your aunt.

A source, who is close to Harry, 40, said: ‘They’re very happy living in and raising their family in California and, as it stands, have no plans to leave.’

I hope that is true, for many reasons.

Harry doesn't come across as someone who is very happy, but for his immediate and wider family circle it would be good if he is.

Her grandmother was the QM’s oldest friend and Lady in Waiting and they, among others, manoeuvred to encourage the marriage. Charles was 33 and (bizarre as it seems) that was considered very old to be unmarried in the RF in the lare 70s.

Didn't Charles date one of Diana's sisters?

It goes back to the PR angle, how can it be good PR for the monarchy for Harry to spend times with Charles whilst simultaneously telling anyone who'd listen that his wife and children aren't safe (in palace grounds) in the UK. The monarchy should be promoting the country, not giving oxygen to insults. The PR it's good for the monarchy is just flawed.

Sources say that he will come over for visits to support his charitable causes and patronages but there are no plans for wife Meghan to accompany him.

Same as it ever was, then? No indication of a reconciliation or meeting up with Pop.

The look she flashes at the poor, humble chap who goes to help her chilled my blood. And the speed with which she turns on him! Then she spots the camera…

Horrible and hilarious in equal measure.

I have read (don't know how true it is) that the headlines that Sunday morning were due to be critical of her and had to be withdrawn in a hurry

Sarah

Yes nothing seems to be changing then , I mentioned before that the relationship between H and Charles should be just like any other family who lives in different countries, phone calls and maybe the odd visit.

As a manager I felt the same with over complicated reasons for staff being late! convoluted stories immediately raised my eyebrows as probable bollocks, those who just said over slept or sorry I am late I was ok with, its the wanting to fib and embellish that got my goat, as always utterly unbelievable twaddle! same with doing poorly voice when phoning in sick 😂the need to over explain is always a red flag to me.

Why are the papers fixated with them returning as the only measure of the relationship with the family? There can be reconciliation without Harry coming back to live here. It's really strange.

Well, she has clearly lied a great deal but sometimes she tells the truth.

Why do you say that this serves an agenda?

W & C are done with them but are asked, on a unique state occasion, to put their personal distaste to one side and join them in a respectful gesture to the late Queen. W & C swallow their disgust in public but have nothing whatsoever to say to H & M in private.

I don’t think this is hard to understand or to believe.

Thats when Diana and Charles first met. She was 16 - he was 29. He was dating Sarah (short term) and staying at Althorp for a polo match. I suspect the young Diana saw and heard all of the excitement of the future king coming to stay from the family and was dazzled as any teenager would be. Recently looked at photos of their dating, honeymoon and early marriage and she always looks smitten.

Yes I agree, like the hair stylist that butchered my hair but spent ages telling me how modern it looked, how much it suited me , how amazing I looked, how it took years off me, when we both knew I looked like Dame Edna Everage !