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The royal family

Talks about reconciliation 2

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bluegreygreen · 17/07/2025 10:18

I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

When It Hits the Fan - A Right Royal Whodunnit - BBC Sounds

David Yelland and Simon Lewis examine the fallout from a very public secret royal meeting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002fvh7?origin=share-mobile&partner=uk.co.bbc

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CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 12:45

Battymaud · 18/07/2025 12:37

C has said it was one of the most difficult things she’s ever had to do

Where / when did she say this?

I apologise- I’m not very good with links, but I Googled’Queen’s funeral walkabout Catherine most challenging thing’ and there’s a range of reports to choose from.

BemusedAmerican · 18/07/2025 12:45

Battymaud · 18/07/2025 12:22

I think the RF may be laying the ground for a post divorce situation.

The RF will have to hire Harry a very tough, fiscally experienced housekeeper to make sure he stays within budget.

BTW, Fredo got shipped off to Vegas in "The Godfather".

Battymaud · 18/07/2025 12:52

BemusedAmerican · 18/07/2025 12:45

The RF will have to hire Harry a very tough, fiscally experienced housekeeper to make sure he stays within budget.

BTW, Fredo got shipped off to Vegas in "The Godfather".

Just googled Fredo character - sooooooo funny and sooooo apt. Couldn't make it up.

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 12:54

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 12:21

Apparently there was ZERO conversation in the car and I’m not surprised.

And Meghan couldn’t even behave on that walk about, snapping nastily at an aide until she saw the camera, after which she very quickly turned on the ‘charm’.

C has said it was one of the most difficult things she’s ever had to do and I can believe it. Imagine sharing a car with the person/people who had accused you of racism to a global audience. Nice! How H& M had the gall to appear, I don’t understand.

how do you know there was ZERO conversation in the car?

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 12:58

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 12:54

how do you know there was ZERO conversation in the car?

I’ll try to find the chapter and verse, but as above, it may be faster for you to google. I thought this was well-reported but I’ll have a rummage.

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 13:01

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 12:54

how do you know there was ZERO conversation in the car?

Omid Scobie (who we know is Meghan’s mouthpiece) reported it, presumably directly from her.

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 13:02

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 13:01

Omid Scobie (who we know is Meghan’s mouthpiece) reported it, presumably directly from her.

but meghan according to MN is a liar. so it might not be true. 😎

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 13:07

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/07/2025 12:44

I saw Meghan fiddling but I think it is because it was a high stiff collar and she was uncomfortable. It's the fiddling that makes me less inclined to believe there was a microphone. If they were really wired I don't think they would have behaved like that.

It’s a matter of interpretation, of course, but I’m convinced.

She just never leaves that collar alone, always pressing it down and adjusting something underneath it. Maybe a popper or button if you are of a very charitable disposition, but I’m not! She also has a smug ‘duper’s delight’ expression on her face throughout.

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 13:09

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 13:02

but meghan according to MN is a liar. so it might not be true. 😎

Why would she lie about this?

If there’d been chat, why would M deny that? What would be in it for her?

bluegreygreen · 18/07/2025 13:09

Agree with @MrsLeonFarrell - there is a difference between family and Family reconciliation.

I do think for KCIII's sake it will be good if there is some family reconciliation. He can have some time with his son and I suspect William would be perfectly capable of basic social civilities for major events like weddings / funerals etc.

I'm hesitant about the level of bringing him back into the Family fold. For all their faults, Beatrice and Eugenie haven't caused personal harm or been a clear security or constitutional risk in the same way as Harry. I could see him attending in the background for major events like a Commonwealth service but not for something like a Garden Party where you are depending on his ability to interact appropriately.

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CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 13:13

BemusedAmerican · 18/07/2025 12:29

Also, Tom Bower is allegedly working on a new book. The SS actually called the police and tried to have him evicted from Invictus in Canada.

H & M have not endeared themselves to Americans. Harry got booed at the Pat Tidwell awards. Hollywood A listers ignore them. They have been called disaster tourists. It's a running joke that H & M will pull some kind of stunt at major RF events.

They are starting to look really tacky of touch. Millions in the US are facing starvation. We have to deal with ICE raids. People and animals are dying in floods and fires, and Harry is cosplaying his mother in Angola.

They are just SO out of touch and self-obsessed. They need to wake up and smell the jam, pancakes etc etc.

BathOliversister2244 · 18/07/2025 13:31

Ohpleeeease · 18/07/2025 11:36

I’d go further and say that of those who remember Diana, only those who were reasonably young at the time are left. Our perspective on her is likely to be much changed by our own life experience.

The worship for Diana isn’t there any more, except amongst a few obsessives and collectors of memorabilia. I doubt there is even much affection left, just curiosity at best. Being Diana’s son means nothing to anyone, any more than being the child of any other long dead celebrity.

Don’t speak for all of us thanks! I remember Diana well and I think there has been a very determined effort from the powers that be in recent years, for very obvious reasons, to erase her memory and spin a very negative narrative around what remains. It’s obvious that this would happen when Charles and Camilla became King and Queen. Diana was collateral damage but we don’t talk about that nowadays!

BemusedAmerican · 18/07/2025 13:35

The walkabout story is from Jobson's book:

https://nypost.com/2023/04/07/kate-middleton-found-windsor-walkabout-with-harry-meghan-the-hardest-thing/

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 18/07/2025 13:35

This meeting does make sense in many ways, Harry has continued to do some charitable work and public engagements, even though he’s no longer a working (or paid) Royal. He’s doing this stuff anyway, he’s not moved into a purely media job. Connections between their two offices to have some idea about what Harry is working on, what areas he’s showing an interest in etc would be very helpful.

Longer term the Palace might be able to guide away from anything William / Catherine / George etc might be interested in. Avoid clashing dates.

Its been over 5 years, its pretty clear H&M aren’t going to disappear into obscurity. A little coordination is not the same as a full return.

BemusedAmerican · 18/07/2025 13:42

Archewell hasn't filled in 2 years. Look at the Charity Watch review of it.

Sentebale is under investigation.

A PP posted interesting info about Halo.

Travalyst is not a charity.

BetterUp is not a charity.

African Parks is a nightmare.

It's a running joke that H will bring up Diana. M will do a pap walk or an Instagram whenever it is an important RF event. They look bad, not the RF.

Weepixie · 18/07/2025 13:44

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 13:09

Why would she lie about this?

If there’d been chat, why would M deny that? What would be in it for her?

I suspect the poster doesn’t understand she’s admitted what we’ve known all along - that Meghan lies just for the sake of it.

And the very familiar self congratulatory use of the cool emoji by way of Gotcha that we’ve seen many times before? It really isnt a good look when you’ve just shot yourself (and Meghan) in the foot.

BathOliversister2244 · 18/07/2025 13:47

CoffeeCantata · 18/07/2025 12:41

That would make sense. I can’t bear Harry (full stop) but while his loyalty is firstly to Meghan there just cannot be any relaxation of vigilance.

Yes, I realise Meghan would retaliate by making access to his children difficult but that’s for H to worry about about. I think the RF shouldn’t even try to get involved with the children- they can live happily in the US and ignore their royal connections. KC has the Wales three anyway.

Whoa! What a strange post! I would hope that every husband’s loyalty should first be to their wife?

And how do you know how KC feels about each of his grandchildren, or feel able to pronounce on what he should do?

Sorry but I don’t understand these sorts of posts where people are tapping away in an almost goady way suggesting that it’s better if a family remain divided?

You don’t have to like Harry or Meghan but surely a rapprochement between their children and the rest of the extended family would be a very desirable thing?

onehorserace · 18/07/2025 13:56

Ohpleeeease · 18/07/2025 11:36

I’d go further and say that of those who remember Diana, only those who were reasonably young at the time are left. Our perspective on her is likely to be much changed by our own life experience.

The worship for Diana isn’t there any more, except amongst a few obsessives and collectors of memorabilia. I doubt there is even much affection left, just curiosity at best. Being Diana’s son means nothing to anyone, any more than being the child of any other long dead celebrity.

I agree and people today are more likely to shrug their shoulders about a divorce and an affair. It's so commonplace now and why would the RF be any different. At the time yes it was seen as some as scandalous. Life and attitudes have moved on.

Vespanest · 18/07/2025 14:02

It just has to be hoped that William has given some sort of approval, because if I was William and kept my mouth shut whilst his wife was vilified because "never explain, never complain" for the good of the monarchy I'd be absolutely livid. It's not like Charles lived by the rule. No matter how you address it reconciliation with no apologies just gives Harry's claims credence. I could see it backfiring on Charles, the press can claim all the want that Catherine needs to step up and sort other peoples rubbish out but the public may see strength in William that Charles lacks. There is no way even a low key meeting with Harry will not bring the press at William's door.

Battymaud · 18/07/2025 14:47

No matter how you address it reconciliation with no apologies just gives Harry's claims credence.

What claims from Harry are you concerned are credible?

And to whom?

Vespanest · 18/07/2025 15:03

Battymaud · 18/07/2025 14:47

No matter how you address it reconciliation with no apologies just gives Harry's claims credence.

What claims from Harry are you concerned are credible?

And to whom?

More credible to those who believe him and actively push the narrative. I would say one of the main ones is the racism claim. If someone claimed you had been racist (he can backtrack all he wants) to a global audience, so much so in Catherine case not a day goes by she's not called Kkkate that without an apology no reconciliation will remove the question why would she be in a room with him.

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 15:04

Weepixie · 18/07/2025 13:44

I suspect the poster doesn’t understand she’s admitted what we’ve known all along - that Meghan lies just for the sake of it.

And the very familiar self congratulatory use of the cool emoji by way of Gotcha that we’ve seen many times before? It really isnt a good look when you’ve just shot yourself (and Meghan) in the foot.

i have no idea what you are on about.
according to this topic (I was wrong saying mn) Meghan lies. yet for some reason when she says something that suits the agenda.....its not a lie.
i😍

BigWillyLittleTodger · 18/07/2025 15:05

Dustythewondercat · 18/07/2025 13:02

but meghan according to MN is a liar. so it might not be true. 😎

It’s not “according to mumsnet” it’s from her own mouth, provable lies. She even had to apologise to the British Courts for her lies, I’m surprised she hasn’t got third degree burns on her backside from her pants being continually on fire.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 18/07/2025 15:10

I see the new names to these threads have arrived, as usual it’s “How do you know” in every post and demanding links, ad nauseam.

ThatAvidViewer · 18/07/2025 15:13

Vespanest · 18/07/2025 15:03

More credible to those who believe him and actively push the narrative. I would say one of the main ones is the racism claim. If someone claimed you had been racist (he can backtrack all he wants) to a global audience, so much so in Catherine case not a day goes by she's not called Kkkate that without an apology no reconciliation will remove the question why would she be in a room with him.

Haters of Catherine and those "bat‑shit‑crazy fans" of Meghan twisted the story and claimed it was Catherine. In fact, the book states that it was Charles who made that comment—and that Catherine was in the room when he did. That aside, Harry walked those claims back two years later, of course, after he accepted an award for institutional racism. Anyone who still believes anything those two say hasn’t got a brain cell in their head.

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