Talks for reconciliation

[LadyJaneGrey18]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14899657/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-meet-London-secret-peace-summit.html

What to make of this??

I think the RF would take Harry back at some point and get really good PR in overdrive.

Depends what you mean by 'take him back'. He's an adult and as a British citizen he can come back and live in the country any time he likes. He doesn't need anyone's permission for that. However, I don't see him being given a home on a royal estate as he has shown he just can't be trusted. I also think there's next to no possibility of him ever being a working royal again, partly for the above reason and partly because it's already 5 years since he left and he's shown himself to be surplus to requirements now.

I think the situation with David is slightly different because he had been an actual King. Having 'two monarchs' in the country at the same time might have been a tad awkward, even if David had abdicated. Harry is 5th in line so irrelevant from a constitutional POV.

@IcedPurple I could see Harry at some point in the future, slipping back into his old life as a working royal and living on an estate. They would bring him back really slowly over a length of time.

Agree with David things were a lot more complicated for numerous reasons.

She's even wearing the exact same shoes as Meghan!

We can speculate what the mtg was about and who requested it until the cows come home.

What we do know is that in the court of public opinion is that the actions of H&M have damaged them far more than the RF (as much as very vocal and relatively small number of Sussex supporters would claim otherwise).

I think it’s also fair to say that H&M purported net worth and income isn’t going to allow them to live the lifestyle they aspire to indefinitely and that recent court cases will have left a hefty dent in their capital.

So if the meeting is about reconciliation then it’s more likely that this is being driven by the Sussex’s than the RF.

Sad as it is I just can’t see a way back for them. Perhaps an accord with KC re: private visits and spending time with the grandchildren would be feasible but that doesn’t give H&M the public association/brand recognition they seem to crave.

Much as they wanted half in half out and threw their toys from the pram after this was refused by HMQ I struggle to think of a deal that would allow them back in the fold that both parties would find agreeable.

But who knows? H&M are in a very different position than 5 years ago and perhaps starting to reflect on their behaviours and especially what that means for their children and I can imagine KC wanting a resolution given his age and health.

Yet that still leaves William to consider and from what we understand of his temperament I think any chance of a reconciliation there is highly unlikely.

I find H&M fascinating in terms of being a Ratner like case study in having so much goodwill, support and wealth and throwing it all away - and unlike Ratner with one ill judged comment, they just kept doubling down thinking they were invincible/above criticism and always in the right/the victims, even when their actions were appalling and absolutely hypocritical in light of their allegations against others.

How you can come to a place of rapprochement with people like this is beyond me.

The ultimate in narcissism. Appoint a member of staff to represent you who looks like your double!

I'd take him back with the provision that all the Sussexes live with Andrew in Royal Lodge. The house is big enough for 2 families. Harry can help with the upkeep.

@BreadInCaptivity

Ive always thought about the Ratner reference, they are responsible for their own downfall.

If, in the (hopefully) unlikely event, of H and M returning, what would public response actually look like? Many people, myself included, aren't especially keen to have them back, but I've seen various remarks along the lines of "there'd be uproar", "the public wouldn't have it" etc.

But how would this "refusal to have it" look? How would it play out? Would there be demonstrations? Or the opposite - people declining to turn out to events like Trooping the Colour etc?

Also I don't like either of them, but I do get a bit fed up of people blaming Harry for not preparing Meghan for life as a royal.

-Firstly, she was in her 30's so not some young ingenue who'd never heard of the British Royal Family. In fact, we know for sure that she definitely HAD heard of them.

-Secondly, she's supposedly very bright. But not bright enough to do research? She wasn't marrying in to the Davies family from down the road. So even if she had never heard of the BRF, surely she'd have researched.

-Potentially there's a limit to what she could have found out doing research. So she didn't think to ask her new boyfriend questions? We all do that in new relationships - we ask about our new partner's family, whether they get on with their siblings, where they go on holiday. And when we get invited to meet them for the first time we ask who'll be there, what do I wear, what shall I say, is there anything I need to know etc.

I know the BRF aren't your average family so there'd be lots of obscure traditions and weird ways of doing stuff - but you'd ASK! How can it possibly be that your partner is the son of the Prince of Wales and you don't go "Omg! What?! Tell me all about it"?

Im not exonerating him completely - of course he should've thought of preparing her - but I can't get on board with this narrative of Harry didn't tell her.

@LadyJaneGrey18 I feel that charles wants to bring harry back to the fold just so he can see the kids before he dies because he knows that william will never do it in a million years!! harry has become rather arrogant since being with entitled rachel!!

Squaddies are in vicious over drive today. I wonder if Harry set up the meeting and Meg leaked it because she doesn’t want a reconciliation.

I just wish they could string a sentence together. Half the time it’s so incoherent I have to read a post twice to figure out whether this random poster I’ve never seen before actually admires Meghan or not.

'My husband is a fox. He's very, very handsome.'

But how would this "refusal to have it" look? How would it play out? Would there be demonstrations? Or the opposite - people declining to turn out to events like Trooping the Colour etc?

For a start, I imagine the govt. might refuse to contemplate H representing Crown or country in any official capacity - because that wouldn't just be up to the King, he'd have to follow ministerial advice there.

People in the know have said on other threads he's not popular with the military, so if true I doubt he'd be invited to any military events.

Who might want him? Charities, local organisations etc wanting a royal visit? Can't see them queueing up.The danger would be that any visit would be in the news for all the wrong reasons. I suppose BP would make discreet enquiries as to how likely it is that he'd be invited anywhere and act accordingly.

Oh yes 😂

I mean who would actually SAY such a thing? Even if their husband was a fox, which he definitely isn’t.

The uproar would probably just be booing every time they show themselves!
like the jubilee but much , much worse.

I think plenty of people/organisations would still want him. They want a bit of royal fairy dust regardless of who brings it. Not everyone cares about a professional, respectable, serious representation. It might not be as high profile as before but there's supermarkets in Skegness that wouldn't say no to old Harry cutting the ribbon.

And he so loved doing that ...

To answer your question, I don’t think there would be uproar but I think there would be a noticeable difference between the reception the Sussexes got compared with other working royals.

Of course they would have their supporters to shriek and whistle and whoop whoop over the boos but they will never command the affection that other senior family members get and it could look and feel quite uncomfortable.

There is no way in hell they will ever be working Royals again.

😂😂
She needs to go to Specsavers! 😂

No - he’ll never be a working royal again. He wouldn’t get security clearance! The RF meet home politicians , top civil servants, foreign heads of state and diplomats. Absolute confidentiality and discretion is essential and we know Harry cannot be trusted.

With his terrible record, how could anyone be sure that he wouldn’t start blabbing at the first opportunity if things didn’t go his way, or if he got angry and resentful again?

He’s cooked his goose in terms of any official public role, whatever KC might wish.

But Meghan was offered support . Sophie , a Lady in Waiting plus an equerry .
She was also given a dossier of information which she apparently didn’t open !

Plus he’s a pot head and probably a lot more.

If Camilla could work her way back into a measure of popularity then it is possible that Harry and Meghan could. Having said that I can't see either of them having the humility, patience, grit and willingness to stay silent whatever is said about you that Camilla has.