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Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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BasiliskStare · 02/07/2025 19:31

I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

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MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:11

Ohpleeeease · 05/07/2025 13:09

But it’s all set dressing isn’t it? No substance.

Very true. I enjoyed the quasi royal tours, though. Especially when they played the UK National Anthem in Nigeria and Harry inspected the troops 😂brilliant !
They're like those European royals with defunct titles and no country, who insist on royal status and deference.

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 13:14

Ohpleeeease · 05/07/2025 13:05

I think if you maintain a close association with an institution and actively purport to be part of it, albeit not working, then your conduct reflects back to the institution.

The RF understood this when they annexed Prince Andrew.

Fair enough. My perception is that the RF is as popular as ever, and doesn’t seem to have been affected by M&H in the slightest.

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:15

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 11:34

It’s not what they actually are-it’s how some people perceive them.

I just want to say thank you for your contributions to this thread. I agree with this.

It's not about what I or you think about H&M it's about why people support them.

So far we have:

  1. Being seen as victims of the evil RF/British press
  2. Classic underdogs
  3. Diana worship
  4. General hatred of the UK/England
  5. People using the Princess Diaries as how Monarchy works!

I'm going to add that I think there will be those that hate Catherine more than they love Meghan.

I think it's important to remember that Meghan and Harry spend a lot of time telling us what we should think about them. As an example, Meghan's recent podcasts about working so hard, being a wonderful mother/friend, being an enterpreneur, not reading the press. If you see these 30 sec SM snippets (Sorry can't think of a better word - bingoing myself) and you aren't much a critical thinker, then you might believe them even if they patently are not true. Just look at how many people believe JKR is a TERF despite never actually properly reading what she wrote. Meghan thinks she is the Queen of plausable deniability. She isn't, but she thinks she's much more clever than she actually is.

And if anyone catches, Dan Wootten, Piers Morgan and that bloke from The Sun, then I can totally believe they are victims. They all really need to shut up for a bit.

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:19

@JADS why should Dan Wootten or Piers Morgan "shut up"? It's their job, you don't have to listen to them. I haven't seen either of them for a while on mainstream tv, nor have I read anything of theirs for ages. Just ignore.

Thedom · 05/07/2025 13:19

This is from an article on Lainey Gossip, Lainey has always been a mega fan of Meghan, a friend from her Toronto days, and a long time friend of Scobie, even Lainey can’t spin their PR narrative anymore.

This is her take of Meghan on the Emma Grede podcast. Lainey, over the years, has twisted herself into knots to try to blame the RF and the UK media for all the criticism of Meghan. The insinuation that Meghan only achieves anything due to her trading on relationships must have been a difficult one for Lainey to concede. (relationships engineered for no other reason than her marriage into the British Royal Family)

it’s less than flattering, and the type of observations a lot of people make about Meghan. No doubt Meghan’s’ war room team are on to it, working on getting a complimentary article up and running soon.

Emma knows her stuff, she speaks business at a rapid pace, she is interested in the contract details.

But Emma can’t reach Meghan, who is so rigid and affectatious that listening to her feels like a stifling loop of catchphrases you’d read in Girlbossing 101: Boss Like A Girl Who Bosses.

Meghan goes into the genesis for As ever by stating that multiple friends texted her at the same time to tell her that her jams made them so happy that it sparked an idea. Later, she mentions she thinks about the 15-year-old (yes, as in a teenager) saving up to buy something special. I would have liked a follow-up on that’

‘She also name-drops Netflix CCO Bela Bajaria (a jam recipient), which also plays into the rumours that have plagued Meghan (she is difficult and finicky). She implies she puts opportunities into action through relationships. She flexes her connections and her professionalism “

Emma moves through it with interesting questions, like how do you grow the brand outside of the show? Who is doing quality control? Who has final say? How are you dealing with conflict, how is your staff organized, are you going to raise capital? But Meghan sidesteps with buzzy chatter but no meaning: iteration (a word I’ve never heard outside of work), authenticity, “it takes a village” etc. She doesn’t want to give up the details but it feel like we’ve reached maximum depth with Meghan.

On the podcast, she said that selling out is not a strategy and she doesn’t want that disappointment to be part of customer service (remember, there’s a 15-year-old relying on this jam). But after months of saying she has the strongest team and the big partnership and the highest standards, when does As ever meet those standards?

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:21

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:11

Very true. I enjoyed the quasi royal tours, though. Especially when they played the UK National Anthem in Nigeria and Harry inspected the troops 😂brilliant !
They're like those European royals with defunct titles and no country, who insist on royal status and deference.

Me too.

They were beyond cringe, so colonist. Meghan grabbing Harry's gifts was hilarious.

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:25

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:21

Me too.

They were beyond cringe, so colonist. Meghan grabbing Harry's gifts was hilarious.

Oh my god, they genuinely are the gift that keeps on giving 😂!

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:27

@JADS "so colonist" is very true, colonist and imperialist.

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:27

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:19

@JADS why should Dan Wootten or Piers Morgan "shut up"? It's their job, you don't have to listen to them. I haven't seen either of them for a while on mainstream tv, nor have I read anything of theirs for ages. Just ignore.

Fair enough. Unfortunately I once clicked on Dan Wootten interviewing the Sibley Twins and I now can't get away from him! Granted it is his job and Harry was vile about him, but he is a bit too sensational about it.

Ohpleeeease · 05/07/2025 13:27

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 13:14

Fair enough. My perception is that the RF is as popular as ever, and doesn’t seem to have been affected by M&H in the slightest.

Edited

I agree, on the surface, but I think there’s also evidence that people are losing patience with the Grey Rock approach and want more decisive action. Popularity is a fragile thing.

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:31

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:27

Fair enough. Unfortunately I once clicked on Dan Wootten interviewing the Sibley Twins and I now can't get away from him! Granted it is his job and Harry was vile about him, but he is a bit too sensational about it.

I think there will always be commentators like this. They're not really that significant, I tend to ignore them! Though pp made a very good point about the power of Harry and Meghan, because Piers Morgan lost his itv breakfast show because of their complaints. So much for "the media" being against H&M!

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:32

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:27

@JADS "so colonist" is very true, colonist and imperialist.

Particularly when they boasted about their generous largesse where they donated a set of drums too a school!

They are the gift that giving.

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:37

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:32

Particularly when they boasted about their generous largesse where they donated a set of drums too a school!

They are the gift that giving.

😂oh my!

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:44

Thedom · 05/07/2025 13:19

This is from an article on Lainey Gossip, Lainey has always been a mega fan of Meghan, a friend from her Toronto days, and a long time friend of Scobie, even Lainey can’t spin their PR narrative anymore.

This is her take of Meghan on the Emma Grede podcast. Lainey, over the years, has twisted herself into knots to try to blame the RF and the UK media for all the criticism of Meghan. The insinuation that Meghan only achieves anything due to her trading on relationships must have been a difficult one for Lainey to concede. (relationships engineered for no other reason than her marriage into the British Royal Family)

it’s less than flattering, and the type of observations a lot of people make about Meghan. No doubt Meghan’s’ war room team are on to it, working on getting a complimentary article up and running soon.

Emma knows her stuff, she speaks business at a rapid pace, she is interested in the contract details.

But Emma can’t reach Meghan, who is so rigid and affectatious that listening to her feels like a stifling loop of catchphrases you’d read in Girlbossing 101: Boss Like A Girl Who Bosses.

Meghan goes into the genesis for As ever by stating that multiple friends texted her at the same time to tell her that her jams made them so happy that it sparked an idea. Later, she mentions she thinks about the 15-year-old (yes, as in a teenager) saving up to buy something special. I would have liked a follow-up on that’

‘She also name-drops Netflix CCO Bela Bajaria (a jam recipient), which also plays into the rumours that have plagued Meghan (she is difficult and finicky). She implies she puts opportunities into action through relationships. She flexes her connections and her professionalism “

Emma moves through it with interesting questions, like how do you grow the brand outside of the show? Who is doing quality control? Who has final say? How are you dealing with conflict, how is your staff organized, are you going to raise capital? But Meghan sidesteps with buzzy chatter but no meaning: iteration (a word I’ve never heard outside of work), authenticity, “it takes a village” etc. She doesn’t want to give up the details but it feel like we’ve reached maximum depth with Meghan.

On the podcast, she said that selling out is not a strategy and she doesn’t want that disappointment to be part of customer service (remember, there’s a 15-year-old relying on this jam). But after months of saying she has the strongest team and the big partnership and the highest standards, when does As ever meet those standards?

Edited

Thank you for this. The bit about a 15 year old saving to buy jam makes me feel a bit quesy - I really really hope no 15 year olds are wasting their money and it's all a delusion.

Lainey was a mega fan, she clearly isn't now. I wonder what changed?

Interesting, we haven't heard from Omid in a while either.

MrsLeonFarrell · 05/07/2025 13:45

Thedom · 05/07/2025 13:19

This is from an article on Lainey Gossip, Lainey has always been a mega fan of Meghan, a friend from her Toronto days, and a long time friend of Scobie, even Lainey can’t spin their PR narrative anymore.

This is her take of Meghan on the Emma Grede podcast. Lainey, over the years, has twisted herself into knots to try to blame the RF and the UK media for all the criticism of Meghan. The insinuation that Meghan only achieves anything due to her trading on relationships must have been a difficult one for Lainey to concede. (relationships engineered for no other reason than her marriage into the British Royal Family)

it’s less than flattering, and the type of observations a lot of people make about Meghan. No doubt Meghan’s’ war room team are on to it, working on getting a complimentary article up and running soon.

Emma knows her stuff, she speaks business at a rapid pace, she is interested in the contract details.

But Emma can’t reach Meghan, who is so rigid and affectatious that listening to her feels like a stifling loop of catchphrases you’d read in Girlbossing 101: Boss Like A Girl Who Bosses.

Meghan goes into the genesis for As ever by stating that multiple friends texted her at the same time to tell her that her jams made them so happy that it sparked an idea. Later, she mentions she thinks about the 15-year-old (yes, as in a teenager) saving up to buy something special. I would have liked a follow-up on that’

‘She also name-drops Netflix CCO Bela Bajaria (a jam recipient), which also plays into the rumours that have plagued Meghan (she is difficult and finicky). She implies she puts opportunities into action through relationships. She flexes her connections and her professionalism “

Emma moves through it with interesting questions, like how do you grow the brand outside of the show? Who is doing quality control? Who has final say? How are you dealing with conflict, how is your staff organized, are you going to raise capital? But Meghan sidesteps with buzzy chatter but no meaning: iteration (a word I’ve never heard outside of work), authenticity, “it takes a village” etc. She doesn’t want to give up the details but it feel like we’ve reached maximum depth with Meghan.

On the podcast, she said that selling out is not a strategy and she doesn’t want that disappointment to be part of customer service (remember, there’s a 15-year-old relying on this jam). But after months of saying she has the strongest team and the big partnership and the highest standards, when does As ever meet those standards?

Edited

My offspring are adults so I'm a bit out of touch. Is there a spread buying sub culture among today's 15 year olds? If she is creating products for that age group it makes even less sense.

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:49

Ohpleeeease · 05/07/2025 13:27

I agree, on the surface, but I think there’s also evidence that people are losing patience with the Grey Rock approach and want more decisive action. Popularity is a fragile thing.

Do you think people are losing patience?

Harry's security bid has finally burnt itself out. He only has one more media lawsuit.

I suppose there may be discontent with regards Invictus 2027, but I don't think that's on the populous' radar yet.

I get the impression that the RF are on a high, but that maybe due to the amount of Wimbledon I've watched recently.

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 13:54

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 13:31

I think there will always be commentators like this. They're not really that significant, I tend to ignore them! Though pp made a very good point about the power of Harry and Meghan, because Piers Morgan lost his itv breakfast show because of their complaints. So much for "the media" being against H&M!

To be honest, I think Morgan “lost” his breakfast show because he was being an arse, rather than because M&H complained about him….

jeffgoldblum · 05/07/2025 13:56

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 13:54

To be honest, I think Morgan “lost” his breakfast show because he was being an arse, rather than because M&H complained about him….

Possibly but she did call up his boss and complain too!

jeffgoldblum · 05/07/2025 13:57

And I will add , like him or not , the show lost viewers and popularity after his exit.

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 14:06

jeffgoldblum · 05/07/2025 13:56

Possibly but she did call up his boss and complain too!

Just googled. So, apparently did 41000 other people-mostly about his stance on mental health. And his colleague challenged him on live TV and he stormed out. Not sure M is entirely to blame for him quitting his job!

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 14:09

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 14:06

Just googled. So, apparently did 41000 other people-mostly about his stance on mental health. And his colleague challenged him on live TV and he stormed out. Not sure M is entirely to blame for him quitting his job!

Right. So Jane Williams from Wigan complaining has the same impact as a world famous royal?.
Mmm. I think not.

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 14:10

jeffgoldblum · 05/07/2025 13:56

Possibly but she did call up his boss and complain too!

I'm just fascinated by that level of entitlement. I don't like what this man has said about me, so he must lose his job?! Wow. Imagine!

RandyRedHumpback · 05/07/2025 14:14

JADS · 05/07/2025 13:21

Me too.

They were beyond cringe, so colonist. Meghan grabbing Harry's gifts was hilarious.

Gifts from a blue, plastic carrier bag. All a bit sad considering what they could have been.

Ohpleeeease · 05/07/2025 14:15

CurlewKate · 05/07/2025 14:06

Just googled. So, apparently did 41000 other people-mostly about his stance on mental health. And his colleague challenged him on live TV and he stormed out. Not sure M is entirely to blame for him quitting his job!

His stance was on her mental health, not mental health generally. He said he didn’t believe she was suicidal.

He was ambushed by a weatherboy looking to build his career and refused to engage with him on air.

He was asked/told to apologise for/retract his comments about MM and he wouldn’t, so they either sacked him or he was forced to resign, not sure which.

I’m not a Piers Morgan supporter especially not from his newsprint days but he was definitely removed under pressure from the Markle camp in the days when they had money to burn on court cases.

MadeInGrimsby · 05/07/2025 14:17

Ohpleeeease · 05/07/2025 14:15

His stance was on her mental health, not mental health generally. He said he didn’t believe she was suicidal.

He was ambushed by a weatherboy looking to build his career and refused to engage with him on air.

He was asked/told to apologise for/retract his comments about MM and he wouldn’t, so they either sacked him or he was forced to resign, not sure which.

I’m not a Piers Morgan supporter especially not from his newsprint days but he was definitely removed under pressure from the Markle camp in the days when they had money to burn on court cases.

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