Megs gift shop wine

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As per the DM, we are told Meg is using Fairwinds Estate winery for her rose. Sounds nice.
But a Reddit user has discovered, that Fairwinds winery is just a brand under the umbrella of Wine gift shop. They do corporate gifts and print on demand. Oh Meg, as ever

https://winegiftshop.com

Ha! Very interesting. 😂

I also think some of the squaddies live a fantasy life through her, on some level they identify with Meghan, they may come from a broken home themselves and they believe the narrative that Meghan spouts that she was a latch key kid eating tv dinners in relative poverty 🙄 and she overcame her struggles married a Prince! She gives them hope it could happen to them! And if not they can pretend it’s themselves living the life of a Duchess! Buying her crap gives them a little bit of stardust, that’s my take on the die hards.

As usual you have to take it to the extreme. Most people in the world will tell a minor lie. It's not black and white in the real world. You have picked up a minor little thing as a way to denigrate someone who holds an opposing view to yourself and in your mind to prove your point. I would suspect that friends have lied to you in the past. How would you even know? Do you quiz them as intensely as you do on here - anything to prove your point is the only one and how superior that is?

Michael Jackson, whatever one thinks about his personal life, was a brilliant performer whose music broke records and is still loved 40 years on.

So I don't think you can really compare him to two people who have very little to offer other than connections to the 'establishment' which supposedly was so out to get them.

Yup I pity people like this.

I’m not really comparing. I’m just saying that fans often don’t dig too deep.

I believe VB paid above average rates to her seamstresses, and had some reputation as a good boss too. She wasn't doing it on a shoestring and it still took time to make it work (and she accepted a lot of "help" from Roland Mouret with her designs).

I don’t think the Michael Jackson analogy works either and the problem I have with the David and Goliath theory is that if they had been allowed to stay as Royals on the terms they wanted, they would have done so in a nanosecond. The Sussexes don’t want to bring the institution down, they want to be bigger than the institution and they would probably want to go back to an absolute monarchy if they were ever on the throne 😆

I think the whole "hate" thing is a smokescreen, especially when applied to people on this board. If the some of the comments on Celebitchy about William and Catherine were made on here about Harry and Meghan, it would be unreadable due to deletions (quite rightly)

I think they're preachy entitled hypocrites, for all the many reasons a read of a few threads will evidence. They are not dragonslayers taking on the Royal system. They don't want a quiet life out of the public eye. They want (more) money and status and to be respected on a global stage, because of their titles, because what else do they have to offer? When they actually do something worthy of that respect, I'll be very happy to acknowledge it. Publically trashing your family who you know won't defend themselves (and this is largely on Harry) is a long, long way from it though.

I didn’t say that the actually ARE David and Goliath! I’m trying to answer the the posters asking g why they have fans…

No, I realise you didn’t. What I mean is I don’t buy it from the fans’ point of view either. The fans want them to be bigger than the institute. They want Meghan to be Queen and ahead of Catherine. Their preferred outcome would be some cataclysmic event to the RF which would give them this outcome, but as this seems unlikely they have had to settle for spite and derision of the RF instead. So less David and Goliath and more green eyed monster

Exactly. Where there's unique talent and individuality, great charisma or eccentricity and mystery, there will be fans for very good reasons, even if, in the case of MJ, there's a whole dark side and criminality. There's an MJ musical running in the West End - his music, separate to the personal life of the man, is still compelling.

Even the RF fandom makes some sense - the institution is steeped in hundreds of years of history, intrigue, the shaping of politics and religion worldwide and it's at the centre of our political system which largely has remained stable and working reasonably well. So there will be "fans" of the institution itself and the history, stability and continuity it represents, which probably describes most of us posting here; and perhaps also "fans" of one or two individuals currently occupying the best seats if they do something of note - which may be nothing more than weathering the storm of decades of notoriety with dignity, loyalty, service and style, which is why, eg, Camilla has so many supporters.

The RF have nothing in their fan base though that matches the wild behaviour of the Sussex Squad and their cult like worship of two really quite inadequate, untalented and quite disturbed people. Two proven liars and perennial complainants who had the world at their feet and kicked it away because they wanted more. They are not under-dogs. They are just a pair of greedy fools.

Yes - I agree with all of this. It's confirmed by my looking under a stone checking out Celebitchy from time to time.

I'll put my cards on the table: I'm a middle-class, fairly patriotic, history-loving mild (non-flag-waving, non-camping out on the Mall) royalist, so you can see where I'm coming from and I'm aware that will give me a certain point of view. I get the impression that the SS and the super-fans on Celebitchy are mostly American women, some African-American, and very woke - and I use that word in the sense that woke people would approve: very aware and watchful about social and racial oppression and other issues.

But they are also frequently ignorant about British history, culture and traditions and they're frankly pretty prejudiced in their anti-Brit stance. They just don't get, for example, that it was a massive faux-pas and embarrassing for the late Queen that M & H went over the head of the Archdeacon of Windsor (is that the right designation?) and booked the Archbish of Canterbury for their wedding. Not a hanging offence, but apparently typical of their crass, competitive and pushy attitude to their nuptials. Co-operation and a bit if humility is more usual in these situations, and deference to the monarch, but of course all those attitudes are seen as ridiculous by Celebitchy. They also seem to think that the monarch has powers over all manner of things which they don't, and that royal visits are arranged at the drop of a hat to try and upstage Meghan. They have no clue.

They have swallowed whole Meghan's claims about her treatment by the royals, and totally ignore any subsequent developments, even their retraction of the accusations. They refuse to entertain any suggestion that Meghan has bullied staff and their hatred for Catherine, based on Meghan's narrative, is eye-blisteringly vicious. She's a racist and a mean girl (KKKate etc). William is mocked for his baldness despite Harry's lack of hair these days. They live in an alternative reality.

I get that some of these women will have suffered actual racism in the US and therefore they've fixated on that and will not let it go. Whatever you think of the RF, I find it hard to believe that they would express racist ideas, or that they are indeed racists. They may be old-fashioned, not up-to-speed in terms of the latest terminology or thinking (such as Lady Hussey - who was surely just inept and out-of-touch, but didn't intend any offence), but I don't believe they are racists and I think labelling them as such to a global audience was just wicked - there's no other word for it.

I'll leave it there, Curlew, for now because I could go on about this subject for pages!!! 😆

The RF have nothing in their fan base though that matches the wild behaviour of the Sussex Squad and their cult like worship of two really quite inadequate, untalented and quite disturbed people. Two proven liars and perennial complainants who had the world at their feet and kicked it away because they wanted more. They are not under-dogs. They are just a pair of greedy fools.

Totally, Randy. Apart from the Diana Die-hards, who are frequently anti-royal anyway, I think the RF fans range from dotty devotees to people like me who just enjoy Trooping the Colour and a nice State Visit, with carriages going up the Mall (I'l make an exception for the Orange Monster coming soon- God help us, and my God, KC and PW will earn their money when he comes).

In other words, they're not likely to launch vicious, life-threatening SM campaigns against anyone who doesn't totally agree with them.

At the root of all of it is I believe people who are unhappy with their life possibly because of their race or of other factors which make them feel lacking. They blame their race for feeling they have underachieved . This is often shown in the comments like " our black princess taking a white prince". Many of them come from various countries especially in Africa , the Caribbean as well as the USA. The racism was touted by Meghan and all sense flies out the window. I have family in this category. They jumped at the time and are unable to see what has emerged. It's all still racism. You must support your sister purely because of skin colour . Madness. That is like me having to support Lucy Letby because she is white. You also have the type of young white women who were at the gathering in New York. It was admitted that one of these in particular had a highly developed sense of failure and in communicating with Meghan at age 15 she had found someone to "listen" to her. They have developed a relationship from their point of view based on this. I'm sure there are other celebs with a fan base who are similar. As I said before though I had no knowledge of fandoms before this week.

It's fascinating isn't it? I also think that the fans think Meghan knows who they all are (I know there are a couple of 'ringleaders' that have appeared in photos with them) but Meghan wouldn't know the majority of them from Adam.

Yes - the obsessive fawning over The White Prince is demeaning and cringeworthy. It might even be racist!

So sad that they value Harry for his ethnicity, and clearly imply that Meghan has won the jackpot because of it. This is an aspect that I find really heartbreaking and maybe telling about these women’s experiences.

Shame you’re leaving it there-I think this is so much more interesting than endless re runs of “Oh no-her labels are crooked!” 🤣 Your point about the bishop is significant- most people in the world could not begin to understand why that matters even at all. Ditto loads of the issues that exercise Brits-who walks in front of who-all the protocol stuff. And it would be very easy to go down the -for example, stepping in front of the Queen is appalling but wearing a racist brooch is an unfortunate mistake- route.

I have to say, I am a little shocked that there are posters who seem to think carrying on being a Michael Jackson fan is more understandable/excusable than being a Meghan fan.

Disclaimer-I haven’t seen Celebitchy so I don’t know what goes on there except what’s
mentioned on here.

I think it’s more comparing the situation with MJ with being a fan of Meghan is not at all the same thing. That’s why I think it’s a flawed analogy

eta I mean that Jackson was genuinely talented regardless of what we now know. Meghan never was. So at least with Jackson there was a reason to be a fan iyswim. I’m not really talking about what has come to light since his death

I see the royal family as individuals playing what should be an important role, it is the role that is famous and the individuals are temporary place holders, some on a personal level deserve higher status (Anne) and some should be removed completely (Andrew). The problems always occur when individuals believe they are bigger than the role, in some cases that is mirrored by public opinion in Diana case but that will always be an unrealistic view as her death influenced people's perceptions. Harry misconstrued the liking of his role as the prince with less restrictions the cheeky chappy who screws up with a liking of him without the position. I do honestly believe they would have done better if they dropped all titles. Harry seems to be playing the role of a working prince more now that he did when it was his role. All I see is a guy with no role expecting the respect the role gives. I'm ex military, it's the equivalent of meeting a retired officer expecting to be called Sir and subservience once they've left.

Ditto loads of the issues that exercise Brits-who walks in front of who-all the protocol stuff.

I don't know a single 'Brit' who gets 'exercised' about 'protocol stuff'.

However, hierarchy and tradition is at the heart of any monarchy, British or otherwise. If it weren't for al that pomp and circumstance, the majority of Meghan's cult wouldn't even have known that she existed.

Really? There were pages and pages about Meghan getting stuff wrong!

That’s why I said “carrying on” being a Michael Jackson fan. It was more a comment on fandom than anything else.

@CurlewKate Thank you for that. Maybe not deep but I am not sure the whole situation is that deep. & I tend to agree with you that H&M have cornered the market in "plucky couple" who stood up against an uncaring , inflexible , just dreadful institution. I think the David and Goliath thing is spot on.

Now do I think that is what they were? No. But they got their story out first and it has set the agenda. & They knew it would because the RF isn't going to go head to head with them.

It is interesting.

I thought @CoffeeCantata made a great post also.

Were there? I didn't see them but I'm not basing my argument on 'pages and pages' from some alleged online discussion several years ago.

We agree that nobody would really care about Meghan had she not married into the royal family?