The marching of the Kings californian grandkids

[Thedom]

Wish I could go back and find all those posters who predicted a Kardashian-esqe social media blitz at some point in H&M's future, wonder where are all the posters who we're so affronted by the very idea of that.

People magazine and all, the uber celeb magazine.

I guess needs must with the downfall of her business efforts, \oh look, here are my kids whose privacy we have decided to forego for the greater good of taking the heat off what a crap business woman I am'.

I suspect some of the citizens of Montecito regard H&M as déclassé.

I think that’s what is so fascinated about them. Meghan particularly intrigues me. She spent so long trying to make it and then she flounced off from the most famous family in the world after less than two years in it, apparently thinking she was bigger. It’s bonkers.

Wouldn't be surprised if William sets in motion the removal of Harry's place in the successions and perhaps even their titles.

I doubt it.

They are rapidly making the title a laughing stock. They will drop down the LoS.

Grey rock has worked well, and taking action (like responding to SM attacks) just opens a can of worms.

Like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, best to let them become less and less credible or relevant. 'Attacking' them by removing titles puts fuel on a fire that is dying out naturally.

No titles will ever be removed it will open a can of worms. The RF are only concerned on holding onto all this privilege. If it was so easy to remove titles then what would stop the plebs from demanding titles be removed from the future generations. That would only have an effect on William’s children and grandchildren. He would never do that because they live and breathe on their position and power. Charles said he was going to make changes but has made none William will be exactly the same he won’t want anything taken from his children don’t you know it is their birthright. If titles depended on popularity and work ethic 99% of them would have their titles removed. To those who think William is outraged by Harry’s actions he won’t do anything about it if it was a choice between having one over his brother or it affecting his own children’s future.

For goodness sake. Just stop.

You’re spot on. It was word salad and now I know why I didn’t understand it at first. 🙈

I agree. Removing titles or changing the LoS would look petty and pretty much guarantee H's victim status. It will happen organically over time while leaving William 'not bovvered'

I agree about the titles. Plus, them desperately clinging on to the titles, and ensuring the children are HRH, just shows that they love being royal, and demonstrates their hypocrisy.
All those supporters who claim to be Republican look a bit silly.

Ah but it’s their birthright ! That’s what I used to be told when this board was awash with H and M supporters.
And what about Andrew ??
I think they should be removed from the LOS not least because they don’t live here !

"Challenger brand" is US PR speak for "embattled / struggling brand" or "brand that isn't particularly known or loved, but wants to be".

Calling it a 'challenger brand' is more flattering to the client.

You would think, but actually agencies (especially good ones) tend to be more expensive billable hour by billable hour than in-house people. As to your other question, I would say they've chosen a tech focussed agency because Meghan has determined that social media influencing is what she's going to pour all of her energies into going forward (as opposed to humanitarian service, which appears to have gone for a burton).

I wonder if they ever regret and reflect on their actions. Continually burning bridges can’t be good for mental wellbeing. Unless they just don’t care.

I think that's a very good question, and I've been wondering the same. They both have immense egos and both lack reflection and self awareness. Harry is very royal - the worst kind, being completely entitled and arrogant.
In top of this,they both got greedy. In spite of what their fans say, they were incredibly popular in the UK, and their wedding had a huge swell of popular support.
They thought they could take all that and monetise it. Be major royals, with none of the duties and all of the glamour.

I think I've bored on about this before, but ultimately, we PR professionals are only effective if the client listens and takes our advice.

When I take on a new client, I don't typically do ANY PR activity for the first three months. I do something much more important:

• I start with a perception study of a wide sample of the client's audience and current audience to find out what people REALLY think of my client, and then I tell my client the truth - the good, the bad and the ugly. You would honestly be amazed at how many clients, insulated as they are from hoi polloi by an entourage of arse lickers, don't actually know how the public really perceives them
• Using this perception study and the client's stated objectives I then create a PR strategy (key messaging, values, what the client stands for and wants to project)
• I then use the strategy to create a 12 month calendar of tactics, a programme of PR activity EVERY SINGLE ACTIVITY OF WHICH MUST HAVE A CLEAR OBJECTIVE WHICH RELATES BACK TO THE STRATEGY AND THE CLIENT'S STATED GOALS. I cannot stress how important this is. Good PR is strategic and objectives-driven. The objective must be clear, it must be realistically achievable, and it must always be kept in mind. Otherwise, you're just flailing around begging the public for attention with confusing and silly antics.

All good PR professionals will work to this framework, or something like it; I didn't make it up, obviously. It's been around in some form or another since Edward 'Father of PR' Bernays. I can clearly see how Jason Knauf has applied this framework to his work with Kate and William over the past 3 years and it's been flawless in achieving what (I presume) it was meant to achieve. FLAWLESS.

I'm willing to bet a non insubstantial amount of money that H&M, for reasons best known to themselves, DO NOT LISTEN TO THEIR PR ADVISERS. Perhaps they think they know best, perhaps they're none too bright, perhaps they're in a rush and don't have the patience to do the vital groundwork. I don't know. But they clearly don't listen, because no PR professional with more than about, oooh, 28 minutes' professional experience would think the twerking video or the amateur IG posts were a good idea. Meghan did all that herself; I'm telling you.

If you're a PR professional with ethics, as soon as it becomes obvious that a client isn't listening to you, you resign. Not only because of professional ethics (it's wrong to keep taking their money) but also, because frankly, as a PR professional you live and die by the quality of your work, so you can't have things like the twerking video associated with you - it's the quickest way to professional purgatory.

I don’t care about them , they’ve made their bed. I do think their poor children are going to suffer immeasurably from the patterns and behaviour of their parents. They aren’t learning how to form healthy family relationships, or about the value of work and earning a living , or how to build lasting friendships. I suspect they are looked after mostly by staff who don’t stay long. I feel incredibly sorry for them.

Good points.

So they telegraph reporting :

• 6 staff were sacked
• It was because of the vanity fair article calling her a bad boss, yells at people, staff in long term therapy, dictator in heels

‘The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have parted ways with six more members of their ever-evolving team, The Telegraph understands.
Kyle Boulia, the couple’s Los Angeles-based deputy press secretary, and Charlie Gipson, their European communications director, have both left.
Lianne Cashin, former head of operations at Archewell, has also gone just a month after a Sussex spokesman described her as “exceptional” and said she exemplified the “strength and vision” of the Duke and Duchess
Meanwhile, Deesha Tank, director of communications at Archewell, has left, as has a personal assistant and Meghan’s social media manager.
The changes come after the Duke’s BBC interview, in which he railed against his father and complained of an “establishment stitch-up” after losing his security appeal against the Government.
The interview is not thought to have gone down well at Buckingham Palace.
However, one source told The Telegraph that the writing was on the wall for certain members of staff following the publication of an excoriating profile of the couple in Vanity Fair in January.
The article alleged that several people underwent “long-term therapy” or took extended breaks from work after working with the Duchess, while Prince Harry was portrayed as a naive, lonely figure who has failed to make any friends in the US.
The social media manager is understood to have left before the Duke and Duchess released the extraordinary video of them twerking in a hospital delivery room.
The footage, taken as they awaited the birth of their daughter, Princess Lilibet, was published on the Duchess’s Instagram page earlier this month and was met with a mixture of incredulity and amusement.
Last month, it emerged that the Sussexes had retained a team from Method Communications to bolster their PR operation, suggesting that they were unhappy with the way things had previously been managed.’

Anybody think there’s going to be more bad stories about her behaviour in the coming months? ……she’s just pissed off a lot of people!

Is the suggestion that the story came from her staff then?

Perhaps and also that they were able to kill the story?

I mean a lot of the info came from Spotify staff, but it did talk about her at home being a dictator in heels- which indicates this was her personal staff.

You forget how bad it was!

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/prince-harry-meghan-markle-cover-story-2025?srsltid=AfmBOor-Y96BeBHue_ZZrfeDB8n9HEdvxgTsMu-V9sLbwgaAFzOtUX1H

So entertaining! I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. They have been exposed for what they both are shallow and self serving. There will come a point surely where no one will want to work with them because of the damage it will do to their own reputation?

The problem with going down the clickbait route, aside from the obvious fact that it doesn't gel with their claims to be high minded philanthropists worried about the effect of social media on children, is that to retain interest you need to do more and more extreme things. They started with twerking in a hospital room and I'm not sure there is anywhere much to go from there that they would be willing to show.

Yes, and then their ex PR, Ashley Hansen, went on a podcast and disclosed about the Sussex's 'war room', how the Sussex's are hyper vigilant about what is being written about them, and how she and her team had to prepare clapbacks for all the negative commentary about them. She also didn't shy away from commenting on her own mental health struggles, which was the reason for leaving the Sussex's and starting her own business, to work for herself rather than for someone else whose needs trump her own personal needs.

She painted a very troubling picture of working for the Sussexes, even if she did try to camouflage it

Ashley Hansen, went on a podcast and disclosed about the Sussex's 'war room', how the Sussex's are hyper vigilant about what is being written about them

So the insistence that the pair don't read the all the commentary was yet another lie @Thedom?

You don't say ...