Harry's new interview 2

[Viviennemary]

I just thought I would start second thread since I noticed the first one is full. It has certainly dominated media reporting. I saw a snippet on Sky news earlier. A document from Harry saying its a dereliction of duty to stop his security. Erm who just whizzed off to the USA and left all the duties behind. I havent watched the whole interview. I wonder if he'll appeal again.

I believe I understood you very well; I don't like when people police strangers' language online.

Western standards of intellectual debate have since the Enlightenment relied on what I would call "benevolent understanding", that is we operate under the assumption that our interlocutor is making their argument in the best possible way and so we engage with the argument itself and ignore / forgive any infelicities of language. That way, the debate can make progress.

Over the past 30 years, we as a society have begun to stop doing this and, instead of engaging with an argument, we seem to lie in wait for our interlocutor to say something politically incorrect, which we then seize upon and wave around in righteous outrage.

Over time we can see the stifling affect this has had on the quality of our politics, arts and media. People are now too frightened to say anything unless it's the most anodyne sentiment possible, couched in the blandest terms possible. That's really bad for our society as it reduces us to oversensitive, frightened babies. So, I think it has to be challenged wherever possible.

@IsoldeWagner well it was a pre-record and they probably negotiated the terms of it (ie, give Harry an easy ride) before he sat down. I suspect that the journalist also realised that she wasn't interviewing someone who was in, shall we say, the most robust of emotional states (and he seems to be sporting a black eye to boot) and so deliberately tried not to antagonise him.

Further analysis in the Times today
What did Prince Harry say in TV interview? His security claims unspun

https://www.thetimes.com/article/959ec0bf-d7d1-444f-be43-36b50d4112d8?shareToken=b557e57ca66be5c0132e6dd407aaccb3

I think she did that more to try and shut Harry up. A kind of “I tried but it’s out of my hands”type of thing. The Queen was well aware that she could not be seen to influence government policy. As for making sure Harry was safe and received security if a kind, well as pp have said. RAVEC take their job seriously and are not going to want any harm to come to him (despite his delusional claims), so they were always going to keep an eye on him with or without the Late Queen’s letter

Excellent advice. I love that you had a really good friend that gave such good advice too. Lots of people say what they think you want to hear.

Writing a letter is one thing but trying to overturn not just the decision of an independent body but the court of appeals is quite another.

I cannot help but feel a modicum of pity for him at this point. He is reduced to the most pathetic figure. Which perhaps is always what he was, but to be so exposed on a world stage is quite excruciating.. no more than he deserves but it makes me wince nonetheless.
I find him quite loathsome; entitled, arrogant, selfish, thick, dull, dishonest.. I could go on and on! But he clearly is damaged and clearly has been preyed upon by the worst kind of narcissistic parasite. I find her completely chilling actually and cannot help but feel sympathy for the children and their ridiculous man-child of a father, they are vulnerable and she is merciless in her insatiable greed and insane thirst for evermore riches and fame. But also I cannot help but be awed in some way, as well as horrified, by the stunts that woman has managed to pull off.. its quite astonishing, and all in such a brazen and unapologetic way.

This is about the R4 interview with an ex royal protection officer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications/

The interview is uncomfortable to watch because of the level of barely-concealed bitterness, resentment, contempt and rage emanating from him. But also I see despair in his eyes. A deeply, deeply unhappy man. Looking to blame everyone and anyone but really there is no one to blame but himself. When you think of the level of global good-will and even adulation that the pair of them had around the time of their marriage it is quite extraordinary to see where they are now in comparison.
I think Harry deserves everything he's brought upon himself. But it's so easy to picture an alternative reality where he had married a Cressida-type aristo Brit or a Catherine-type upper middle class Brit and is living a perfectly lovely life on some idyllic country estate and its quite appalling to think of the choices he's made instead. And so unlucky, if he was specifically hankering after an unknown American aspiring actress, there will be any number - thousands and thousands of them - who would've made a good fist of being his wife, would've been grateful for the opportunities it affords and recognised that he was eager to be a devoted husband and father, despite clearly having his issues. It was terribly bad luck for him to be preyed upon by such a one as she.

@GiveMeSpanakopita I appreciate your point about general understanding but I think that we don't always stop to think about the origin of terms now in common use.
As I doubt any woman would want to believe in male supremacy and we are all to some degree indoctrinated by growing up in a patriarchal society I think it is actually helpful to find out such things.
But we can agree to disagree.
I appreciate and enjoy your posts on the topic of H&M very much so will stop derailing!

Not necessarily "sadly" though.

By not doing the second bit, and leaving all the inconsistencies just hanging there, she's provoked the MSM to address the inconsistencies themselves.

I think this is Harry's Andrew-interview moment - the American MSM outlets that were previously sympathetic to H & M and would spin a story their way are now using words like "unhinged" to describe H.

Those men in grey are bloody good at their job.

An excellent summation of the whole Sussex fiasco. The writing was on the wall from the moment she was quoted in Hello in 2016, "I feel like the luckiest girl in the world" (girl?!).

https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2016110234373/prince-harry-meghan-markle-luckiest-girl/

That he actually married her and it's taken so long to get to the point where mainstream journalists have been given the green light to write articles like this is a complete mystery to me.

Was a very long time ago to be fair !!!! 🤣🤣

On this claim from Harry:

“My status hasn’t changed. It can’t change. I am who I am. I am part of what I’m part of, and I can never escape that.”

I would dearly love for steps now to be made to remove Harry and Meghan’s titles (HRH, Duke and Duchess) and place in line of succession - on the justification that given Harry’s clear concerns regarding his safety are based on his remaining position and connection to the RF, this action will clearly address this by removing any final associations with the royals.

the temper tantrum from Monteiro that would ensue would be hilarious.

I wonder how Harry’s children will view this situation in 20 years time. I wouldn’t go so far as to feel sorry for them as they are still living a life of privilege beyond imagination, but they are being denied so much. Summers at Balmoral, Royal Christmases, the incredible history, experiences and access to fascinating people that come with being part of that family.
Their titles are pretty laughable without the family relationships behind them. As Harry and Megs are discovering, it’s difficult to capitalise on your royal connections when they only exist on paper.

So very true. Both he and his mother made disastrous marriages that changed the course off their lives for the absolute worst. Diana could have married a nice but dim chap who adored her and wanted a nice family life. Harry could have married a jolly nice gel in the same set and had the same. Instead he married this avaricious social climber out for herself.

But no decent British women in his circles wanted him. It is very clear to see that it wasn’t because of the attention that they would receive but because he is a very weak, selfish and stupid person.

I believe he genuinely thinks he is the aggrieved party here and that he expected his family members would not just forgive what he “had to do”, but apologise for “making him do it”

I simply don’t think he’s intellectually or emotionally capable of a level of reflection that would prompt any other/more nuanced level of his own culpability because then he’d have admit to himself what a clusterfuck he’s got himself (and his wife and children) into

Excellent post, @BreadInCaptivity, and especially these bits
I still think, unless he's completely left the planet, that at some level he must realise the mess he's made, but as you rightly say that would mean accepting that the real issues lie closer to home and I doubt that's palatable to someone who's always had others to paper over his problems for him

I suspect M will use this security issue as the reason for a divorce too. 'He wouldn't protect me and our children. I had to do this for the children's safety etc etc.

Whoops

The only problem with this is that the casual observer who may only watch the TV headline news rather than reading the more in depth articles afterwards that follow only hear the version of Harry’s pity me narrative and don’t realise it’s all garbage.

Perhaps I shouldn't join in with the slight derail of the thread but I recall reading on Popbitch that, prior to the marriage to Meghan, Charles was overheard telling some who were worried about Harry's increasingly bad-tempered behaviour not to worry as Harry was just 'cunt-struck.'

It's easy to see Meghan as some sort of Californian version of Lady Macbeth and we can't really know what sort of influence she's had over Harry's decisions, but I still think a great deal of responsibility lies with him, certainly regarding the attacks on his family (and others) and the war with Ravec.

He's a grown man, he was a grown man when he met her and needs to own his choices. William was hardly any older when he lost his mother and has never had the option of creating the sort of nice life Harry could have had without the pressure of being future monarch.

The jealousy and resentment that Harry manifests is positively Angevin but unlike the squabbling sons of Henry II, it seems entirely one way.

Maybe not so much accusing as implying, but not to worry ... apparently Scobie's moved to LA, so Harry could always cooperate with another book and get him to "accidentally" reveal the names

And thanks from me too for that excellent post, @GiveMeSpanakopita
The only thing I'd add, re "running to the BBC", is that the same could be said over his collaboration with CBS/Oprah considering it was this company who published the awful images of his fatally injured mum

Unfortunately it appears that the little which exists of Harry's moral code wavers according to what suits and especially what money's being offered

Tbh I think those people don't think that deeply. They will hear the headlines, not really know who RAVEC is or care and will tend to think " what a knob. Didn't he leave the UK but he's still complaining " . Most people are too busy getting on with their own lives.