Harry's new interview 2

[Viviennemary]

I just thought I would start second thread since I noticed the first one is full. It has certainly dominated media reporting. I saw a snippet on Sky news earlier. A document from Harry saying its a dereliction of duty to stop his security. Erm who just whizzed off to the USA and left all the duties behind. I havent watched the whole interview. I wonder if he'll appeal again.

If the next 30-40 years security will cost $10-20m pursuing a court case which could cost $2m in legal fees doesn’t seem like too much of a high risk option. Plus getting IPP status returned would help elevate their global status which would help earn the $$$. But him thinking he is entitled to be a lifelong IPP is delulu.

Good point @Bellsize

It will be about the money or opportunity to make money - once MM senses that running dry she will be trading him in for a Hollywood A list Billionaire - but being late forties, with 2 young kids as 'baggage' and a negative global profile she will not be on the short list of someone who wants a fully supportive, low-key, discreet 'arm-candy' wife.

@Choux

If the next 30-40 years security will cost $10-20m

There's a bit of scatter in the figures but it's reckoned H&Ms security bill is at the very least $1 million, maybe as much as 2.5 million a year.

That might well explain H's logic but it also explains why nobody else is going to rush to pick up the bill.

I do honestly think there is love between them, not always healthy. But I do think Meghan will eventually be brought down by Harry moods, I cannot see a world where Harry is content being Meghans plus one.

Re IPP status.

I've been looking at it a bit, as I hadn't come across it before.

It's defined internationally (UN Convention) and by UK Act of Parliament (link), so not something that can just be requested.

By my reading of the definition, Harry would have qualified if representing the King or in his household (i.e. a working royal) but not otherwise (section 5 of link).

Interestingly, it all relates to protection in other states, so would not mandate any change to RAVEC assessments.

Sorry, link didn't work

Some very fair points there, User14March, but I still maintain that a poor upbringing isn't necessarily the be-all and end-all. In fact it can work in reverse, with the subject taking the attitude that they can and will do better, and it certainly doesn't have to involve trashing others in order to look like the "winner"

For me that comes from a place a deep seated inadequacy, but I do agree that we can't know exactly where it came from

He gets security when he comes to the UK. He has to pay for it every where else. This was about keeping IP status where Gvts of any country he visited are obliged to provide security. Not having IP status stops them touring easily as rent a royals which they've tried to do a couple of times in, I think, Jamaica and elsewhere. He must really be missing his former status, but he has burned bridges and just needs to go away and live his life quietly.

What a monumental cock-up and shit-show all round. Harry has really played this badly but he thought he knew better.

H was wanting RAVEC to come to a decision that, in the UK, H qualified for 24/7365 fully armed protection.

If he were to have got RAVEC to make this decision, he would have then had a very strong platform from which to argue legally that he needed 24/7/365 full protection everywhere in the world. I. E. IPP-level security without IPP status.

A long read on this subject from the Harry Markle blog:

https://harrymarkle.substack.com/p/harold-loses-his-appeal-and-gives#poll-313126

if Harry does continue his row with his father and continues to bring Charles position into question it could end up with Harry's worse unintended consequence of bringing William into reign. At that point Harry really would then be the equivalent of Anne, Edward and his children inline with Beatrice and Eugenie. The worse part of all this for me is that Harry actually planned to live abroad and use the countries resources and didn't bat an eyelid that the host nation's citizens might actually object.

I think they are missing the opportunity to make lots of money on fake tours. It’s not about wanting to come to the UK at all. It’s about jetting off on holiday, appearing at awards and doing fake Royal visits for cash. They don’t want to have to pay for their own security to do so.

You see I think Harry loves Meghan - to a toxic, unhealthy degree. I think he sees her as his mother recreated and he is desperate not to lose her. Whether she makes him happy is separate to that - I don’t think she does, but I think that’s the last thing he would be prepared to admit, particularly not when he’s burnt every single bridge in his life to give her what she wants.

I’m not so sure Meghan loves Harry. I think she loves what he represents (or did represent anyway) and the opportunities it gave her to propel herself to global fame.

the reality is they have nothing really in common (except an ability to hold grudges and never take personal responsibility for anything) - she hated his friends when she met them and he’s a version of them, except probably less intelligent, meaner and more entitled.

I was convinced from day one that they went to Canada because they assumed the Canadians would look after their security and they could be a Canadian branch of the RF. Remember they went on that strange visit to Canada house to thank them for their hospitality in early January? Then when Megxit happened, it became obvious the Canadian government saw things differently. It all started kicking off with Covid and they panicked because the Americans were going to close their borders so they basically fled to the US. They never ever considered they would be without security. They acted impetuously and they are paying for it.

You could be right about the Canadian security, @JSMill, but personally I believe that LA was Meghan's aim from the very start, and that Canada was useful mainly in getting Harry away from the family's direct influence

Were it not for the Covid excuse it might have taken her a little longer to get there, but a bit more chucking herself to the floor in tears may well have worked in the end

she hated his friends when she met them and he’s a version of them

This is one of the things that I respect her for - disliking a bunch of braying, hunting toffs who I assume we're making awful banter...

But I never bought into the cheeky chappy image of Harry. He seemed like an utter tool, and a racist one to boot. These are the set that thought "Colonials and Natives" was a megalols theme for a party, before you even come to the costumes chosen...

So why did she like him? A brief google on his background would have shown that these issues were there if she was looking for "kind".

I was just coming on to say this. H&M really thought they could do the half in half out thing , making money by using their royal status, the Queen said no, so they flounced still believing that they would be able to make money because of who they are. Unfortunately, after Oprah and Spare they showed themselves to be stab in the back liars and their popularity waned. They then turned to doing faux royal tours but need extra/more expensive security hence the court case. I really don't think it's about coming to the UK , it's about IPP status.

Was ‘kind’ really part of the criteria? Or s fear Royals aloof & cold. Was Ashley Cole ‘kind’ or Rory McIlroy? (If truth in rumours & hoping for an LTR)?

She did say her only question to the friend who was trying to pair them up was "Is he kind?" Because, unless he was kind it just wouldn't work.

She only used the word 'kind' to back up the nonsense that she didn't know that he was a monied prince.

This is one of the things that I respect her for - disliking a bunch of braying, hunting toffs who I assume we're making awful banter

So would I, @TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis, were it not for the fact that she went right on to marry someone from that very set, knowing that these are the kind of friends he chose

I'd also agree that his background/tastes were easy enough to research, except that Meghan herself claimed she didn't yeah, right

Let's just hope she still considers it all to be worth it ...

Giving her the benefit of doubt did he show a kinder, more vulnerable side?

Very possibly, User14March; we can all put on a good show in the earlier days of dating, but then that's another good reason to get to know someone properly before taking the leap into marriage