Best advice for Harry going forward?

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I have all the same initial reactions as many others on MN regarding Harry i.e. whiner, grifter, stupid, entitled etc and it's easy to dole out the criticism.

However while I wouldn't say I have sympathy for him, as so much of his situation is of his own making, I actually do have some underlying feelings of concern for him and his future (and children).

He reminds me an awful lot of a relative of mine who is neurodiverse with a mild learning disability and a tendency to be self-absorbed with an overdeveloped victim complex - always lashing out, blaming others, seeing conspiracy where there is none etc.

Harry is clearly a damaged man, with childhood trauma and issues which continue to plague his mental health.
As with my relative, he has grown up with a support network which has probably quietly managed and enabled his passage through life, but when big outbursts happen (as have happened in our family too) everyone backs off and 'grey rocks' him until he has calmed down. Some people just give up, too exhausted by the constant drama of it all.

I think the reason he doesn't do anything to defend anyone - family, charity colleagues, advisors, journos, literally anyone - is because he's the greatest victim that ever existed. Nobody needs defending more than he does, and unless he feels sufficiently defended, everyone else has to get to the back of the line.

He's also so immature that he thinks conceding anything diminishes his position.

He's also so angry with his family that he's not going to give them a thing until they apologize (for whatever it was he's accusing them of, don't know if he's ever said what?).

All in all, he's a basket case of negative and entirely self-destructive emotions.

I wouldn’t be surprised if all the Sussex Supporters on here are doing what was predicted ages ago - abandoning the sinking Bad Ship Harry like rats, and concentrating on adoring the wonderful, successful and gorgeous Meghan.

Harry has shown himself to be far from living his best life in California. He’s looking across the pond with envy and bitterness. He’s also demonstrated once and for all that he is supremely entitled and downright greedy.

I'm not entirely sure I'm your target poster here as I can't bear either but while Harold is obviously beyond parody with that hyperbole there's little to choose between the brothers when it comes to laziness.

In one corner the whining hour-a-week Henry and in the other the actual heir reducing patronages wholesale and holding out for around five months a year family jollies having dodged 'full time duty' until his mid thirties.

Neither inspire.

I think Prince William did issue a statement backing up his brother's statement on racism in 2016.

He did @RandyRedHumpback

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/11/prince-william-statement-support-prince-harry-meghan-markle?srsltid=AfmBOorxgBSt2IMtdZ6do6LC-LXILpwCsfhs8F1coTs7xepD5mcjzQF_

Thank you @Mylovelygreendress , I thought that was the case. MM was better defended than any other royal girlfriends - I don't remember any statements about the harassment the others received, including the 10 years of physical and verbal abuse and press harassment Catherine endured. I wasn't even aware that Meghan was being particularly harassed. I can see in the article it refers to internet trolling.

Also, as far as I can recall, her Markle siblings only really went off the rails at the point where they realised they had not been invited. So at no point were any of Meghan's relatives invited officially - including her father - I don't think he got an actual official invite.

When I was checking earlier how many Middletons were at Meghan's wedding I also took a look at K&W's list - I'd forgotten just how much bigger their wedding was in terms of numbers and the types of guests - so many royals, reps from commonwealth countries, important religious leaders etc. Wikipedia has it organised as House of Windsor, and then other decendents of Queen Victoria - you realise just how many of her line populate the European royal houses.

What I love is that the Middleton's invited their postman, their butcher, the owners of the corner shop and their pub landlord.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wedding_guests_of_Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wedding_guests_of_Prince_William_and_Catherine_Middleton

Oh they will be back! Have no fear, I’ve noticed a pattern, when Harry and Meghan fuck up big style their regular fans on here go very quiet for a while, once the smoke clears and the headlines of their latest massive catastrophe move down the page they slink back, with the usual narrative of you are all bullies, you don’t know them, but but Andrew. ad infinitum.

Yes quite right and let’s not forget… there could be a photo or wrong coloured suit to criticise!

@wordler What I love is that the Middleton's invited their postman, their butcher, the owners of the corner shop and their pub landlord.

Yes I heard that too, and found it very touching that they were including the ordinary people who were important in Catherine's upbringing amongst all the grandees. I gather the family has continued to support their friend from the post office, who was a victim of the Fujitsu fuck up.

The Markles are, to put it mildly, a curious tribe. The brother in particular is revolting. But clearly Meghan didn't want any of them there, including her once beloved father since,as you say, there was no invitation issued to any of them.

I feel like I say this woman's name every time the wedding comes up because I am fascinated that nobody ever questions her presence and disappearance: Benita Litt. Whose children were two of the bridesmaids. Who occupied the same pew as Doria. Whose skill set as an IP lawyer and brand launch manager would have been ideal to help Meghan avoid some of the gaffs she's made. Whatever happened to her? Are they even friends? Along with the Mulroney kids, there are a bunch of children out there who were attendants to the bride at a royal wedding and who may never see her or the groom again. It's just so weird.

They all have to await instructions.

This article has nothing to do with Harry’s assertions of racism from the RF - very disingenuous post

I think you have misunderstood the point of why that was posted. Maybe go back and read the posts leading up to it.

William's was a State wedding and Harry's was not. Harry had far more scope to invite people close to him rather than people who are important politically and diplomatically to the country. Iirc this was one of Harry's complaints in Spare, that he didn't get the state wedding William did.

There is that lovely story William told that he spoke to the late Queen about the guest list and said that he and Catherine hardly knew anyone. She told him to throw it away and start with his friends and the people they wanted first. Obviously some officials had to be invited but I think it was lovely she encouraged him to also have the people they wanted and who meant something to them personally.

Which just proves - yet again - that Harry is all about the status, and is very royal.
His litany of complaints can be boiled down to one phrase "they didn't treat me at the level of royalty I deserve".

And about the enduring & unlimited money.

Along with the Mulroney kids, there are a bunch of children out there who were attendants to the bride at a royal wedding and who may never see her or the groom again. It's just so weird.

Other than Doria, I wonder how many of the people who were at M's wedding she is actually still speaking to.

(Or how many she had ever spoken to, given that she invited people she didn't know.)

@RandyRedHumpback It’s old news. Not sure anyone cares much now. Harry’s polarity is on the floor together with his wife’s. He has lost his court case and now whinges on, yet again, about his father. The subliminal message is probably that Camilla is keeping Charles from him. They are probably all mighty tired of Harry and Meghan.

I don’t know if Beatrice, Eugenie, Zara or Peter ever see them?

He and Eugenie fell out apparently when she was seen coming out of a restaurant with Piers Morgan. Harry is supposed to have blown a gasket and now they don’t speak. Mike Tindall called him a ‘bellend’. I think it very unlikely any of them speak to him.

Other than Doria, I wonder how many of the people who were at M's wedding she is actually still speaking to

I can't answer that, @HonoriaBulstrode, but am reminded of when Doria appeared almost alone at the wedding and some tried to insist it's really perfectly normal to have just one family member present

The mental gymnastics were something to behold, but for the rest of us who rightly saw it as a huge red flag what's happened since is little surprise

@wordler thanks for those wedding guest lists, they're interesting. Especially "relatives of the bride" being only Doria.

And if we realised then sure as sure the RF did.

....when Doria appeared almost alone at the wedding and some tried to insist it's really perfectly normal to have just one family member present

I enjoyed the wedding but I wondered at the time why she couldn't have a plus one, or whether there wasn't anyone she was close enough to to want to share the occasion with.

I actually thought the RF could have filled up the space around Doria a little better so she didn’t look so alone.
I know traditional weddings have a bride/ groom side but it’s a little outdated in this day & age.

This and the fact that big celebs they barely knew (if at all, I give you the Clooneys) were invited is most odd.

At the wedding of Diana and Charles her old flatmates apparently sat together and all wore blue so she would be able to pick them out easily walking up the aisle.