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Best advice for Harry going forward?

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SandyThumb · 03/05/2025 11:43

I have all the same initial reactions as many others on MN regarding Harry i.e. whiner, grifter, stupid, entitled etc and it's easy to dole out the criticism.

However while I wouldn't say I have sympathy for him, as so much of his situation is of his own making, I actually do have some underlying feelings of concern for him and his future (and children).

He reminds me an awful lot of a relative of mine who is neurodiverse with a mild learning disability and a tendency to be self-absorbed with an overdeveloped victim complex - always lashing out, blaming others, seeing conspiracy where there is none etc.

Harry is clearly a damaged man, with childhood trauma and issues which continue to plague his mental health.
As with my relative, he has grown up with a support network which has probably quietly managed and enabled his passage through life, but when big outbursts happen (as have happened in our family too) everyone backs off and 'grey rocks' him until he has calmed down. Some people just give up, too exhausted by the constant drama of it all.

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Mayhemabounds · 06/05/2025 08:24

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 08:13

I know what Philip did in Malta.

What did he do?

BlondiePortz · 06/05/2025 08:30

Buy an island with no electric communication to the outside worls nor editor and live there permanently happily ever after

Mayhemabounds · 06/05/2025 08:37

I don’t think he has accepted that there is no way back with his family. One day the penny will drop and then I wonder how he will cope emotionally with the realisation. In a way I think he’s been living in a sort of alternative reality since he left. He’s been in a dream where he’s been reacting in a visceral way to what has been happening to him. I think his entire life someone else has led. Someone else has mopped up after him, advised, cajoled and made all the meaningful decisions. He has turned all that over to this wife who has not steered the ship at all well. I eventually he will wake up and realise he is floating on the ocean unmoored , without provisions, dying of thirst and with no hope of ever finding his way back. His mental health is already shot, what will his response be? I dread to think.

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 09:37

Mayhemabounds · 06/05/2025 08:24

What did he do?

Worse than Andrew and Harry.

No wonder Andrew couldn't believe he didn't get away with it like his father did.

Mayhemabounds · 06/05/2025 09:40

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 09:37

Worse than Andrew and Harry.

No wonder Andrew couldn't believe he didn't get away with it like his father did.

Well, what did he do?

NewAgeNewMe · 06/05/2025 09:45

You can’t leave us in suspense @MyOtherCarIsAPorsche !!!

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 10:42

Philip and Andrew - like father like son.

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 10:42

But worse

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/05/2025 11:08

Mayhemabounds · 06/05/2025 08:37

I don’t think he has accepted that there is no way back with his family. One day the penny will drop and then I wonder how he will cope emotionally with the realisation. In a way I think he’s been living in a sort of alternative reality since he left. He’s been in a dream where he’s been reacting in a visceral way to what has been happening to him. I think his entire life someone else has led. Someone else has mopped up after him, advised, cajoled and made all the meaningful decisions. He has turned all that over to this wife who has not steered the ship at all well. I eventually he will wake up and realise he is floating on the ocean unmoored , without provisions, dying of thirst and with no hope of ever finding his way back. His mental health is already shot, what will his response be? I dread to think.

I suppose it depends on whether his family really wouldn't have him back

Personally I believe they would if it really came to it - they have plenty of properties so it's not as if they'd have to live cheek by jowl with him - and many of the public are fickle enough to be won over by clever PR along the lines of "Oooo he's learned his lesson now!!" and a few cutesy pics with kids

If I'm wrong and they wouldn't have have him back though he's wrecked

prelovedusername · 06/05/2025 11:24

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 10:42

But worse

Specify

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 11:29

prelovedusername · 06/05/2025 11:24

Specify

Don’t bother!!
they obviously know nothing!!!
and if we are going to believe unfounded rumours and gossip, Harry’s shenanigans during military service means his behaviour is worse than Andrews!!!
but as this can’t be confirmed, normally we leave it in the realms of just that !
unfounded rumours.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 06/05/2025 11:38

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 11:29

Don’t bother!!
they obviously know nothing!!!
and if we are going to believe unfounded rumours and gossip, Harry’s shenanigans during military service means his behaviour is worse than Andrews!!!
but as this can’t be confirmed, normally we leave it in the realms of just that !
unfounded rumours.

Desperate times call for desperate measures! Transparent as ever.

prelovedusername · 06/05/2025 11:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/05/2025 11:08

I suppose it depends on whether his family really wouldn't have him back

Personally I believe they would if it really came to it - they have plenty of properties so it's not as if they'd have to live cheek by jowl with him - and many of the public are fickle enough to be won over by clever PR along the lines of "Oooo he's learned his lesson now!!" and a few cutesy pics with kids

If I'm wrong and they wouldn't have have him back though he's wrecked

Harry has hurt his family publicly, that’s the bit that has made reconciliation difficult. If this had all happened in private I’ve no doubt they would have buried their differences because undoubtedly there’s fault in both sides. It’s on him to, publicly, apologise and make amends, but he isn’t there yet and may never be.

Harry himself admitted there was a lot of love between him and his father and I’m sure Charles would wish for them to be reconciled. William I’m not so sure, but he may be able to separate his personal feelings from what’s in the interests of the monarchy (which may or may not include Harry being brought back into the fold).

edited for typo

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 11:45

BigWillyLittleTodger · 06/05/2025 11:38

Desperate times call for desperate measures! Transparent as ever.

You are not wrong!!😑
I knew you would have probably heard about this!
anyone with a connection to the military would know!
anyone who’s looked at military forums would know too , but of course we don’t bandy it about as some insider secret knowledge because without concrete proof it is nothing.
to have someone come on here trying to nod , nod , wink , wink , I know something you don’t , in a pathetic attempt to smear a dead man to defend Harry is the height of bad taste and thoroughly disgusting.

GoldThumb · 06/05/2025 12:07

RandyRedHumpback · 05/05/2025 10:49

It was very much the other way round in the beginning. Catherine was called a frump and other derogatory terms compared to glamorous, articulate Meghan.

What I find interesting is that he never cared when Catherine was compared unfavourably to Meghan.

She was simply ‘better’ at the job in his eyes. (Per what he said in NF doc).

So in his eyes, of course the media would say so, and if Catherine/the family had an issue, it was because they must be jealous of Meghan. After all, Meghan was breathing new life into the RF, and the rest need to move over and watch how it’s done.

Whereas when Meghan is compared unfavourably, then it’s an issue.
So they are always the victims.

They don’t give a shit about the media tearing people down, as long as it’s not them.

Meghan unfavourable reporting: Must be because she’s showing the family up, as she’s so inherently ‘better’, so must be trying to take her down. Bullying, fed to wolves

Catherine unfavourable reporting: Well of course, because Meghan is inherently ‘better’ etc. Look at how amazing she is.

Delusional .

CoffeeCantata · 06/05/2025 12:17

EsmaCannonball · Yesterday 19:40

I think Harry enjoyed the status and adoration that came from events like today's celebrations but wasn't at all interested in the history and meaning of them. Didn't he blow off a fundraiser for the Royal Marines so he could tout for a job for Meghan at The Lion King premiere?

This is one of my personal beefs with Harry (and Meghan, but she has more of an excuse): his totally unashamed statement that he neither knows anything, nor cares, about British history or tradition. He's an ignoramus and a highly privileged one - and I have not sympathy for people who have everything - the best education in the world - and just boast about their lack of interest and knowledge (see Spare - the conversation with the history master). If you are a royal and want the privileges then it's part of your side of the bargain to take an interest in these things. Idiot.

RandyRedHumpback · 06/05/2025 12:23

@GoldThumb absolutely correct. Where were his statements to the press asking them not to pit his wife against his beloved sister in law (the sister he never had, so he used to say)? Where was his condemnation of the odious Scobie's Endgame, chapters comparing Catherine unfavourably to Meghan and calling her a Stepford Wife? Where has there been any care of Catherine from this man who claims to love her as a sister these last 5 years - most notable, his petty words about her in his book seeking to make her look cruel, when she was called a racist by the odious mouthpiece, and when she is blamed by said mouthpiece for failing to "save" Meghan when she was struggling with her MH, while Harry sat back useless?

Dear god, Harry is a total piece of shit. I do not feel sorry for him one iota. Best advice is for him to FTFOTHFSOF and stop polluting the airwaves and courtrooms with his half baked "truths" and incessant moaning about his gold shoes being too tight.

User14March · 06/05/2025 12:29

CoffeeCantata · 06/05/2025 12:17

EsmaCannonball · Yesterday 19:40

I think Harry enjoyed the status and adoration that came from events like today's celebrations but wasn't at all interested in the history and meaning of them. Didn't he blow off a fundraiser for the Royal Marines so he could tout for a job for Meghan at The Lion King premiere?

This is one of my personal beefs with Harry (and Meghan, but she has more of an excuse): his totally unashamed statement that he neither knows anything, nor cares, about British history or tradition. He's an ignoramus and a highly privileged one - and I have not sympathy for people who have everything - the best education in the world - and just boast about their lack of interest and knowledge (see Spare - the conversation with the history master). If you are a royal and want the privileges then it's part of your side of the bargain to take an interest in these things. Idiot.

Totally agree. Re: History lessons at Eton, he misses how privileged he was! A talented, specialist who wanted to engage with him. My teacher read the paper at back of class & asked us to plough on with worksheets. H thought he was above it all & just dull, patronising & boring. Astonishing.

CoffeeCantata · 06/05/2025 12:31

Milaking · 05/05/2025 18:59

This Harry business is like a disputed Octopus energy bill… the longer it goes on the harder it is to solve.

I still think from the outset Harry and Meghan proved too popular and all the guns including the powerful press were brought up to force them into exile.

not usually interested in royals but I thought the bullying was out of hand. Whatever Meghan does is wrong and against what Kate is doing. It is madness and reflects badly on a family unable to reconcile. Of course, when William is King he will be written out of history. This is only the beginning.

This is where I will stop commenting to avoid bringing out the worse out of the haters.

'Haters'. Well, LOL as Sussex supporters like to say!

You won't find hatred on these threads. IME, from the H & M Sceptics, you'll find informed, witty and highly perceptive posts from people who are well up-to-speed on all aspects of the subject.

If you find any actual hatred, please point it out and if necessary, report.

Here is what most people who are not supporters of H & M 'hate':

Bullying, and powerful people being allowed to get away with bullying underlings who cannot answer back.

Lies and slanders against others, particularly family members, who can't always answer back. The RF do not engage in mud-slinging or shouting matches and Harry and Meghan know that their lies will largely go unchallenged. All the royals ever said was 'Recollections may vary' and 'We are very much not a racist family'. Otherwise they did not engage with the shocking allegations. But since then the rest of the world has learned just how much belief to attach to what these 2 say.

Off-the-scale pomposity and self-aggrandisement - faux 'royal' tours, insistence on use of titles in the republic of the USA. All while attacking the royal family and the idea of hierarchy.

Hypocrisy on a monumental scale, unseen before in public life. The private travel, the fake empathy (and only with a film-crew in attendance), the insistence on being treated as royals when they've left that behind and claim they didn't like hierarchies. Plus the 'campaigning' against bullying and online attacks when they refuse to call off their unhinged attack-dogs, the SS, from bullying Catherine and others - and even thank them sometimes! Unbelievable.

Vulgarity beyond belief in their lifestyle and expenditure. Harry's polo and private jets and Meghan's crazy wardrobe (which KC paid for - far more than other royal women ever had or would have expected - she thought she was going to get that funded for life, didn't she?). I suspect now the clothes are borrowed, since they'll have to pay themselves.

That's what most H & M critics 'hate'.

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 12:35

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 11:45

You are not wrong!!😑
I knew you would have probably heard about this!
anyone with a connection to the military would know!
anyone who’s looked at military forums would know too , but of course we don’t bandy it about as some insider secret knowledge because without concrete proof it is nothing.
to have someone come on here trying to nod , nod , wink , wink , I know something you don’t , in a pathetic attempt to smear a dead man to defend Harry is the height of bad taste and thoroughly disgusting.

My father was always requested to drive/tow Prince Philip when he went water skiing in Malta for a couple of years. My dad served in the Royal Navy as an officer and was stationed in Malta.

He knew exactly what shenanigans Philip and his cronies got up to - Princess Elizabeth asked my dad to confirm what she already knew.

Hardcrustsfromnowon654 · 06/05/2025 12:42

Theunamedcat · 05/05/2025 18:23

Nobody is hurting Harry's family as much as he is hopefully he changes before his children become too self aware of how they are being used as ammunition in a one sided war

I agree with Milaking ‘s posts.

The relish with which some posters are almost welcoming Harry’s so-called “downfall” and isolation from the rest of his family, is pretty dark tbh.

Yes, Harry is responsible for his actions now; some of which have been far from ideal. But he couldn’t help the situation in to which he was born. It is a pretty difficult psychological shift to be brought up as equals with your brother, and then come to realise in your teens that you will always be second in everything. And it all being played out in the public eye.

Princess Anne has made a good job of it, and Edward to a lesser extent, but it’s more difficult being two rival siblings of the same sex so close in age. Princess Margaret didn’t really manage to make a success of it. I don’t see what was so wrong about Harry being open and honest about the difficulties of the role anyway. And the difficulties it would present for his wife who was older, with an established career and work ethic.

Let’s be honest, how many of us would like our salary, and that of our wife and children, and accommodation, and our professional role, ultimately being determined by our sibling for the rest of our life, even if we did get on with them? Very, very few of us would find that acceptable in this day and age! Very few spouses would accept or tolerate it either.

It’s similar to the change in the role of vicars wives that has taken place over the last couple of decades or so. Traditionally, they stayed at home, ran the vicarage, and devoted their lives to their husband’s ministry and the parish.

But nowadays, most vicars’ wives have independent jobs, lives, and salaries. So I don’t think a half-in, half-out scenario was that outlandish a request in the first place, and even if the RF couldn’t agree to that fully, I think it should have been all thought through a little more, and some compromises and concessions made to modern life.

The RF always has to be dragged kicking and screaming towards change and they should try, just occasionally, to initiate it.

No wonder it’s hard marrying in!

I think Harry made a brave decision to leave, to protect his own family, and some people will never ever forgive him for it, but he has done the opposite of his father, and put his family above protocol, and the institution, and I can’t blame him for that.

Harry needs to go and live his life successfully now and find a role for himself, serving others.

This won’t be a popular view, but I think in turn, King Charles, as his parent, needs to reach out and try and fix this family rift. As the boss man, he sets the tone now. He should not let this fester any longer. I couldn’t ever imagine closing doors on my adult children, even if they had done something utterly horrendous!

I quite like Charles but due to his own upbringing, I think he has always been someone who has needed a lot of support himself, rather than someone who was good at providing it for his sons. No one can know for sure but atm KC is giving a pretty good impression of someone who is putting their spouse, their professional role, their courtiers, above talking and healing a rift with their own son and what is more important than that?
I can’t think of many things tbh!

Harry’s entire childhood was defined by loss and now, through a series of unfortunate events, his own actions, and the actions of others, a large part of his adult life is about to be defined by it too. I hope he has some good support around him right now.

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 12:43

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 06/05/2025 12:35

My father was always requested to drive/tow Prince Philip when he went water skiing in Malta for a couple of years. My dad served in the Royal Navy as an officer and was stationed in Malta.

He knew exactly what shenanigans Philip and his cronies got up to - Princess Elizabeth asked my dad to confirm what she already knew.

Either say what you mean or stop talking about it!
or as my father would say “ piss or get off the pot!”

LaMarschallin · 06/05/2025 12:45

He knew exactly what shenanigans Philip and his cronies got up to - Princess Elizabeth asked my dad to confirm what she already knew.

Of course she did.
And you - obviously being able to prove what your dad's job was, where he was at on a given date etc - wouldn't dream of going to the press with, what would still be, juicy gossip. And your honorable dad wouldn't let you anyway.
Or some other story.
Instead, you'll just slide it on to a thread on a backwater bit of Mumsnet.

Obviously, I'm convinced...😎
Do tell us more.

RingForMiddleFinger · 06/05/2025 12:47

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 11:45

You are not wrong!!😑
I knew you would have probably heard about this!
anyone with a connection to the military would know!
anyone who’s looked at military forums would know too , but of course we don’t bandy it about as some insider secret knowledge because without concrete proof it is nothing.
to have someone come on here trying to nod , nod , wink , wink , I know something you don’t , in a pathetic attempt to smear a dead man to defend Harry is the height of bad taste and thoroughly disgusting.

Can you dm me what harry did?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 06/05/2025 12:51

jeffgoldblum · 06/05/2025 11:45

You are not wrong!!😑
I knew you would have probably heard about this!
anyone with a connection to the military would know!
anyone who’s looked at military forums would know too , but of course we don’t bandy it about as some insider secret knowledge because without concrete proof it is nothing.
to have someone come on here trying to nod , nod , wink , wink , I know something you don’t , in a pathetic attempt to smear a dead man to defend Harry is the height of bad taste and thoroughly disgusting.

I wholeheartedly agree, it’s shameful.

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