Best advice for Harry going forward?

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I have all the same initial reactions as many others on MN regarding Harry i.e. whiner, grifter, stupid, entitled etc and it's easy to dole out the criticism.

However while I wouldn't say I have sympathy for him, as so much of his situation is of his own making, I actually do have some underlying feelings of concern for him and his future (and children).

He reminds me an awful lot of a relative of mine who is neurodiverse with a mild learning disability and a tendency to be self-absorbed with an overdeveloped victim complex - always lashing out, blaming others, seeing conspiracy where there is none etc.

Harry is clearly a damaged man, with childhood trauma and issues which continue to plague his mental health.
As with my relative, he has grown up with a support network which has probably quietly managed and enabled his passage through life, but when big outbursts happen (as have happened in our family too) everyone backs off and 'grey rocks' him until he has calmed down. Some people just give up, too exhausted by the constant drama of it all.

Obviously opinions will vary but there are plenty out there p'd off with his behaviour during that interview

You don't even need to know military people personally, @notimagain

It's absolutely not my world, but "forces forums" exist too, and the comments make the dreaded Daily Mail's look the epitome of kindness

Yes well it tends to not be a great career move if you are a member of the armed forces who expresses anti-monarchist opinions on public forums.

That’s part of the issue tbh.

Are you forced to use your real identity on these fora @Hardcrustsfromnowon654 ? Presumably you don't have to be very very specific as to role and regiment.

I can understand our King not wanting to cope with this but, honestly, all these peopl who are so against Harry, do they really feel good about what they are all doing to this family. Whatever you think of Harry… he has never been connected to a paper bag of money given by Arabs, never been accused of adultery, never been involved like Andrew. And actually a lot of,people like him. Cast your mind back when Meghan first arrived it was suggested the live in Africa. All that is left for him is to set up some consultancy…he has skills and talents. stay out of the public eye for sometime. Prince Harry, you need a break. Remember, a lot of people like your personality…people have to work so hard to put you down.

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As I recall it as far as the Forces goes yes, there's the POV popularised by the likes of Stephen Ambrose that "you're fighting for your mates, not King and country POV",., but that doesn't mean other views and motives aren't allowed. There certainly wasn't the group think you are maybe trying to portray when I was serving.

However, as far as the late HM the Queen goes regardless of whether people were pro or anti the monarchy a lot of serving personnel held her in very high regard as an individual due to her record of service (which went back to WW2) ... they also held late DofE in quite high regard as well for similar reasons.

Many of them were definitely hacked off at Harry's behaviour in the Oprah interview.

@Milaking As you say, most people have nothing against PH personally, they just don't understand his choices since 2020.

What are his skills and talents that qualify him to set up a consultancy?

I far prefer the military to swear an oath of alliegance to the Monarch rather than PM du jour, of whatever political colour. My experience of family and friends which ranges from squaddies and jack tars to fairly senior officers anecdotally confirms this.

He has set up foundations, he rides and play polo, has excellent people skills (he has proved that) but he was up against powerful people - the press and people who make a living from scandal in the royal family. He was also a soldier. In America these are all good assets.

cast your stones if you must but what a tragedy for our King. He is a good man but we have to make it easier for him to bring his son back. I think he needs to have serenity and forgiveness heals from within.

Camilla, Fergy and other members of the family have been rehabilitated and I don’t even want to mention Andrew. Poor Meghan….

There certainly wasn't the group think you are maybe trying to portray when I was serving.

I have serving friends who certainly are serving for King and Country, honestly what a day for that poster to pick to try and imply otherwise.

Not many people left who like his personality as he has stabbed his family in the back. Time and time again. He and his wife are actively making things difficult and embarrassing for the RF, they are actively undermining our head of state. They are both showing utter disrespect and lack of kindness or dignity to his father and the institution yet want all the perks that come with being a royal. I worry mostly for William and his family. I wouldn't be surprised if harry's behaviour is causing William deep and profound distress to the point of harming his brother's health and wellbeing. The stress the Wales family are under due to their circumstances and additionally due to being attacked by harry and the Sussex squad must cause enormous stress for the family. Harry has shown to be extremely reckless and doesn't care who he harms. He has been extremely short sighted.

That’s my experience too.

Our monarch has nothing to do with military deployment. They are a figurehead. They don’t lead the military on any front. It’s ceremonial. Parliament decides.

Hard as it may be for you to accept Harry and his family are finished as part of our country’s Royal Institution, and it was all of their own making, that last interview has sealed their fate permanently. They will just have to make the best of selling jam and pancake mix on Instagram in between playing the odd game of Polo while the rest of the Royal Family will carry on representing our country around the globe and what an example of that today! I bet Harry can’t even bear to look at the celebrations, it will be eating him up alive because deep down he knows he’s fucked up….royally.

@Milaking but what do I get going to Harry's consultancy.... what business problems is he going to solve, where is his track record in strategic planning, his experience in financial restructuring, or is it more of a feng shui type offering?

I’m fascinated to know how playing polo sets someone up for consultancy, advisory and leadership work.

What about real tennis, Eton fives, grouse shooting and fly fishing? Do they produce inspiring figureheads?

It is harry and Meghan who cast those stones rocks. He doesn't have excellent people skills as he is behaving like a petulant spiteful man child, bitter and mean. The King never wanted him to leave, harry did leave though and then utterly betrayed his family's trust and love in the process.

I think he needs to have serenity and forgiveness heals from within.
Not clear what this is meant to mean. 🤔

Thank for making that clear 🙄

So why is anyone even mentioning it? It’s just history and our culture.

he has never been connected to a paper bag of money given by Arabs

What's wrong with being given money in the form of cash rather than cheque or bank transfer?

What's wrong with being given money by Arabs?

Would it be acceptable to say 'he has never been connected to a paper bag of money given by Jews'? (No, of course it wouldn't!) So why is it ok to say it about Arabs?

The problem is if you start saying your father is blocking you getting protection, that it's all an establishment stitch up, that your father won't talk to you, that you don't know how long your father has to live then you say you forgive him and you want a reconciliation it doesn't sound very reasonable.

Maybe if he says he's sorry for things he's done, acknowledges that it isn't because he wrote "a book" but because of things he said in that book and then says he wants a reconciliation it would sound more reasonable.

Charles hasn't complained about anything Harry has done, he hasn't lashed out, he hasn't said how Harry has hurt him.

It is all very sad for him and his father but maybe he needs some good advice about how to move forward.

He can't even make a successful show about polo, one subject he knows about, so I don't see him branching out into business consultancy or global leadership successfully. He has no background in it at all and so far has shown little inclination to learn.

Invictus aside (looks like it's always had a good team) the current travails around African Parks and Sentebale don't inspire much confidence, do they?

He has set up foundations, he rides and play polo, has excellent people skills (he has proved that) but he was up against powerful people - the press and people who make a living from scandal in the royal family. He was also a soldier. In America these are all good assets.

@Milaking Hmm, one of my American relatives is a business consultant, goes all over the world doing it. She has excellent qualifications, years of experiences managing multi-million dollar projects, teaches/has taught at several universities.

Yes, well-known names are hired for publicity and to be the face of a project/company, but consultants need business expertise.

If PH gets himself some qualifications and is willing to learn, he could perhaps be a consultant in a decade or so. He could also set up his own business and if he makes a success of it, could ge hired by other people. But he doesn’t have the proven track record yet.

He has absolutely NOT set up foundations

You are bang on with your observation. I would hazard a guess and say they are finished in America as well. I’ve been reading the comments on some American publications and the vast majority are absolutely scathing about the pair of them

Someone in The Times comments had a reasonable suggestion: he could be a volunteer firefighter. It suits his skillset and is a worthy job. So, so much better than poncing round pretending that he is performing public duties or whatever he claimed. He is now plain old Harry Sussex - a 40-year-old man who needs a job and a reason to get out of the bed he’s made for himself.