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Prince William not in black at Pope's funeral

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Yellowdresses · 26/04/2025 19:58

I think William made a big mistake in not wearing a black suit to the Pope's funeral.
I think it was a sign of disrespect, particularly as he's going to head of the Church of England.

I know the invite said dark suits for men, but everyone else - except Trump of course! - knew that black was expected, and it's not as if he doesn't have a black suit.

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Yellowdresses · 26/04/2025 23:42

BatchCookBabe · 26/04/2025 20:14

What a ludicrous thing to get worked up about!

I never wore black for the funeral(s) of my grandparents! That OK with you @Yellowdresses ?! Hmm I didn't know it was LAW to wear black to a funeral!

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This was the very formal funeral of the Pope, everyone else understood to wear black. As PPs have said, black is expected at a formal Catholic funeral. I wore black to my grandparents and parents funerals.

I'm Catholic, like millions of people living in the UK, and Prince William was representing the people of the UK. Catholics get to feel let down by his failure to wear black.

The 'get over yourself' and smirking emojis are so inappropriate.

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mathanxiety · 26/04/2025 23:49

AcquadiP · 26/04/2025 20:54

I disagree, Williams navy suit with a black tie was respectful (and smart.)

The C of E was formed in the 16th century when Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic church and it doesn't recognise the Pope as the supreme leader. On that basis it was respectful of William to attend (on behalf of the King.)

The late Pope is (or was) also the head of state of Vatican City, which is an independent state. I think even on that basis he should have opted for black.

mathanxiety · 26/04/2025 23:52

minnienono · 26/04/2025 23:27

I host funerals, black is no longer the norm in the U.K., even suits are no longer that common beyond next of kin. Before anyone says it’s a Catholic funeral, we sometimes host Catholic funerals too, certainly not all in black either, navy is common

If a funeral is held in a venue that is not a RC church and does not involve a requiem Mass celebrated by an ordained priest, then regardless of the religious affiliation of the deceased, the funeral is not a Catholic funeral.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 26/04/2025 23:53

Yellowdresses · 26/04/2025 23:42

This was the very formal funeral of the Pope, everyone else understood to wear black. As PPs have said, black is expected at a formal Catholic funeral. I wore black to my grandparents and parents funerals.

I'm Catholic, like millions of people living in the UK, and Prince William was representing the people of the UK. Catholics get to feel let down by his failure to wear black.

The 'get over yourself' and smirking emojis are so inappropriate.

But, black is for the mourning and so it’s appropriate for the catholics present to wear it. Convention would be not wear black if you are not catholic. He was dressed appropriately. You seeing offence where none exists.

mathanxiety · 26/04/2025 23:55

MeganM3 · 26/04/2025 22:53

Dark blue is completely appropriate. Why would you think otherwise?
He looked very smart.

Anyway, the vast majority of this country wouldn’t have cared whether he even attended the funeral
of the pope or not, let alone the colour of his very respectable suit.

That's a disrespectful approach - William represents UK Catholics too, you know, and many will have been disappointed to see him in navy.

PodgePie · 26/04/2025 23:58

It isn’t like he wore a purple metallic suit, is it? He wore a completely appropriate outfit for the occasion & represented the country perfectly.

The Pope requested that homeless people and those he had worked with personally had an opportunity to grieve for him - I doubt very much he would have given any worry to the fact Wills was in a dark shade of navy, rather than black. SIGH.

NCThisOne · 26/04/2025 23:58

I feel calling this a big mistake is somewhat out of proportion.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/04/2025 00:00

mathanxiety · 26/04/2025 23:55

That's a disrespectful approach - William represents UK Catholics too, you know, and many will have been disappointed to see him in navy.

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He was representing the King as head of state, and therefore all of us. Why would the preference of the UK catholics take precedence over a colour that is both correct and appropriate for the majority and the situation, and was in line with the dress code issued by the Vatican?

TwelveBlueSocks · 27/04/2025 00:01

I think he looked fine. I think people need to calm down a bit.

foreverblowingbubbless · 27/04/2025 00:03

mathanxiety · 26/04/2025 23:55

That's a disrespectful approach - William represents UK Catholics too, you know, and many will have been disappointed to see him in navy.

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Wouldyouelievriy · 27/04/2025 00:07

Yellowdresses · 26/04/2025 23:42

This was the very formal funeral of the Pope, everyone else understood to wear black. As PPs have said, black is expected at a formal Catholic funeral. I wore black to my grandparents and parents funerals.

I'm Catholic, like millions of people living in the UK, and Prince William was representing the people of the UK. Catholics get to feel let down by his failure to wear black.

The 'get over yourself' and smirking emojis are so inappropriate.

Well I'm Catholic in the UK, we buried my Dad this week at a very formal Catholic funeral and none of us wore black so you're talking absolute nonsense that we would be offended. I went out of my way to ask everyone not to wear black unless they really wanted to... .

mathanxiety · 27/04/2025 00:08

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/04/2025 00:00

He was representing the King as head of state, and therefore all of us. Why would the preference of the UK catholics take precedence over a colour that is both correct and appropriate for the majority and the situation, and was in line with the dress code issued by the Vatican?

Because the Pope was Catholic?
And millions of British citizens are Catholic?

It seems the vast majority of other dignitaries found it possible to read between the lines and rustle up a black suit. What a shame he ended up sticking out like a sore thumb alongside Donald trump.

My2cents1975 · 27/04/2025 00:12
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Conveniently Catholic poster outraged that W followed the dress code laid out by the Vatican.

Mumsgirls · 27/04/2025 00:13

Think op you are showing your ignorance here. Navy is considered to be official mourning/ funeral wear and had been for many years. Maybe you are quite young and don’t know this.
not a royalist, but William knows his funeral etiquette well enough and has a whole monarchy for advice. He got it completely right

mathanxiety · 27/04/2025 00:14

Tryingtokeepgoing · 26/04/2025 23:53

But, black is for the mourning and so it’s appropriate for the catholics present to wear it. Convention would be not wear black if you are not catholic. He was dressed appropriately. You seeing offence where none exists.

Black is not just for mourning where the Vatican is concerned.

Female spouses of visiting heads of state also wear black for official visits. Female heads of state do too. Camilla wore black on her recent visit.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/04/2025 00:14

mathanxiety · 27/04/2025 00:08

Because the Pope was Catholic?
And millions of British citizens are Catholic?

It seems the vast majority of other dignitaries found it possible to read between the lines and rustle up a black suit. What a shame he ended up sticking out like a sore thumb alongside Donald trump.

He really didn’t stick out at all, because he was appropriately dressed. He wore a navy suit to his mothers funeral after all, and I think that the Royal Family has a better grasp of international head of state funeral etiquette than you do.😂

Donald Trumps suit was not navy by the way, and so he was not appropriately dressed.

Dallasdays · 27/04/2025 00:15

I am a catholic and have been to lots of catholic funerals. Completely normal to wear navy, more so than black in my experience.

Yellowdresses · 27/04/2025 00:15

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/04/2025 00:00

He was representing the King as head of state, and therefore all of us. Why would the preference of the UK catholics take precedence over a colour that is both correct and appropriate for the majority and the situation, and was in line with the dress code issued by the Vatican?

The preferance of Catholics should have been taken into account as it was the funeral of the Pope, and as I said above, William was there representing the people of the UK, which includes millions of Catholics. I don't expect people of other religions to particularly care, but I'm surprised people think it's OK to abuse someone who does care.

It's relevant that William is the heir to the head of the Church of England as to me that means he should have been particularly respectful - King Charles and Pope Francis have both done a lot of work to improve relations between the two Churches, to not wear black makes it seem that William wasn't bothered to follow etiquette for this event, and following the right etiquette at State events is what I expect from the Royal family.

This has been covered internationally in the media, the stories focus on Trump but mentioning that Prince Willian didn't wear black either, I don't think I'm a crazy/sad Catholic for bringing this up.

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MrsMappFlint · 27/04/2025 00:15

Lascivious · 26/04/2025 20:03

Good for him. There’s no expectation to wear black nowadays. The pope wouldn’t have cared.

How splendid for you to have such an insight into the mind of His Holiness.

Calliopespa · 27/04/2025 00:16

Yellowdresses · 26/04/2025 19:58

I think William made a big mistake in not wearing a black suit to the Pope's funeral.
I think it was a sign of disrespect, particularly as he's going to head of the Church of England.

I know the invite said dark suits for men, but everyone else - except Trump of course! - knew that black was expected, and it's not as if he doesn't have a black suit.

Well it wasn’t “everyone else”. Look at two of the men in the row right in front,

mathanxiety · 27/04/2025 00:16

Mumsgirls · 27/04/2025 00:13

Think op you are showing your ignorance here. Navy is considered to be official mourning/ funeral wear and had been for many years. Maybe you are quite young and don’t know this.
not a royalist, but William knows his funeral etiquette well enough and has a whole monarchy for advice. He got it completely right

But he and trump were the only representatives of major western ststes who managed to get it wrong all the same. Clearly whoever is his etiquette advisor fell short on this occasion.

Yellowdresses · 27/04/2025 00:17

Wouldyouelievriy · 27/04/2025 00:07

Well I'm Catholic in the UK, we buried my Dad this week at a very formal Catholic funeral and none of us wore black so you're talking absolute nonsense that we would be offended. I went out of my way to ask everyone not to wear black unless they really wanted to... .

I didn't say I was offended, I said I felt let down.

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Elliania · 27/04/2025 00:17

Yellowdresses · 27/04/2025 00:15

The preferance of Catholics should have been taken into account as it was the funeral of the Pope, and as I said above, William was there representing the people of the UK, which includes millions of Catholics. I don't expect people of other religions to particularly care, but I'm surprised people think it's OK to abuse someone who does care.

It's relevant that William is the heir to the head of the Church of England as to me that means he should have been particularly respectful - King Charles and Pope Francis have both done a lot of work to improve relations between the two Churches, to not wear black makes it seem that William wasn't bothered to follow etiquette for this event, and following the right etiquette at State events is what I expect from the Royal family.

This has been covered internationally in the media, the stories focus on Trump but mentioning that Prince Willian didn't wear black either, I don't think I'm a crazy/sad Catholic for bringing this up.

Here is the specified attire, from the Vatican, for the funeral of the Pope.

"According to the well-known Italian national newspaper Il Messaggero, Vatican protocol dictates the following dress and order for Pope Francis' burial.
"For men, dark suit with a long black tie and a button of the same color on the left lapel of the jacket, where only Vatican honors can be placed. For women, a black dress, preferably long, of the same color as gloves and veil on the head, with the only allowed ornament being a string of pearls.
“These are the prescriptions for those attending the Pope's funeral, according to well-established protocol manuals that also define the seating arrangement for dignitaries and heads of state.”"

It states DARK suit, not BLACK suit. Prince William wore a dark blue suit and a black tie thus adhering to the dress code. In theory Trump broke the dress code by not wearing a dark suit or a black tie.

Yellowdresses · 27/04/2025 00:19

Mumsgirls · 27/04/2025 00:13

Think op you are showing your ignorance here. Navy is considered to be official mourning/ funeral wear and had been for many years. Maybe you are quite young and don’t know this.
not a royalist, but William knows his funeral etiquette well enough and has a whole monarchy for advice. He got it completely right

How did everyone else manage to wear blavk then? Why are the British and international press reporting on it as a faux pas?

And why do people think it's funny that Catholics care, on the day of the Popes funeral?

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TheAutumnCrow · 27/04/2025 00:20

India's President Droupadi Murmu was wearing blue.

There are 23 million Catholics in India.

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