All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew? (Season 2)

[Samcro]

Thread 2 of what is an interesting topic.

Well first of all I think he should become an entirely private citizen, No public outings with the RF. At all, And public money should not be spent on the upkeep of his accommodation or security, This will probably mean leaving Windsor entirely as it is too central to the Crown and moving to a damp cottage on the Sandringham estate. I am sure they have plenty to spare.

And as he has come from great wealth and privilege but has been proved himself to be unworthy of those advantages, to the extent that he has potentially endangered the security of the UK, I think he should be subject to the very same laws as any other British citizen.

if he is found to have broken the law with his shady financial deals, or has avoided paying sufficient tax, or it is proven that he has endangered national security, I think he should face trial or have to pay a substantial fine.

If you can't see the difficulties in separating the private out from the public, then nothing I can say will explain it to you.

Nothing new in royals disregarding the guidings of a moral compass 😎

As far as the Epstein stuff is concerned I’d like to know why none of the men present, Andrew, Trump, Clinton etc have been held to account. And why the only person behind bars is a (British) woman.

Agree. Maybe Andrew should spill the beans ??

He seems so dim, would he have even noticed they were there or remembered? He can’t remember if he was present himself and believes he was in Woking.

Absolutely agree he should be held to the same laws as any other citizen of the UK, the only public event I think he should be able to attend is his siblings funerals if he outlives them. I personally think it’s fine for him to live close to his daughters and grandchildren wherever that is, I wouldn’t wish complete isolation on him but he needs to leave Royal Lodge and move to a smaller place. I think if he is found to have broken UK law (and this book might be quite revealing on that count) then of course he should face the consequences.

This really annoys me, why has no one else been brought to justice? Every other high profile man (and there are a lot of them)has escaped facing the law in the Country they reside in where the crimes actually happened.

His family have been complicit they knew what he was doing a d with whom, the Queen knew, it was bought to her atte tion. Charles may have inherited the problem but still done nothing and letting him be part of the events.

They don't are what we think, they believe they are so above everything including the law that it won't matter one bit. They are more likely to be more annoyed it's surfaced in the media than to actually care about what he did.

So you don’t think a single member of his family, including his daughters and grandchildren should have any contact with him ever again? Otherwise this shows they don’t have a moral compass?

Of course he should have contact with his wife, sorry EX wife, and children, and grandchildren!
I just don't want to see his stupid face near any royal function.

Agree! But it’s @CathyorClaire who appears to think this way other wise they lack moral compass.

Yes I would very much like to know this too.

At the same time, I think Ghislaine Maxwell very much deserves to be in prison, despite having been virtually groomed by her father to be the cheerleader, secret keeper, and facilitator of powerful men. She knew what she was doing was wrong, despicable and abusive.

Exactly Spectre8

This is one of the most interesting questions of all relating to Andrew.

And of course, the status and soft influence of the RF means those questions won’t be asked. Or if they are, they won’t be answered. It will be more smoke and mirrors. Whereas an elected Head of State could be held accountable.

I don't see CathyorClaire saying that. They can be appalled with his behaviour and suggest he doesn't front up at royal functions, or wear ermine robes at Coronations for instance. Of course, he is still their father, husband, sorry EX husband, grandfather but they quite obviously totally support him in all ways, and probably don't think he's done anything wrong.

That the inference I took from her posts but others may read things differently. I think most measured posters would agree that Andrew should face the law if he has broken it, stay away from any public events permanently and leave Royal Lodge, I don’t think it’s fair for anyone here to say his family should completely disown him and for him to be sent away to live in isolation.

I’ve always thought that although the Yorks are divorced they are now partners. They remind me of an uncle and aunt by marriage.

They divorced many years ago. One kept the family home. A few years later they reconciled but don’t see the point in remarrying. It’s what makes me think it may be this way for the Yorks.

FGS what do you want to do, behead him? I don't think anything less will satisfy you will it?

They may have known some, but I am sure Andrew is quite capable of keeping a lid on his dodgier dealings!

How do you know what they care and don't care about?

I see her saying exactly that. Anyone associating with him in any way doesn't have a moral compass!!

What, like Trump, the convicted felon, is being "held to account" in the US?

Be careful what you wish for...

If only the RF were Downton Abbey and then Julian Fellowes could write in some ludicrous plot point to have Andrew exit pursued by a bear.

In the absence of that I agree with so many others - no more public appearances , no wearing of robes , move out of Royal Lodge so it can be maintained properly , & if matters arise where he has crossed a legal line or proven to be involved in dodgy financial dealing there should be transparency in dealing with that. In private the RF can treat him as they will , but given their circumstances in public is a different matter.

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Well would you be happy to associate and be friends with someone who was friends with Epstein, not only friends but visited the island and even once it was known what he had done still remained friends with him. Who paid off a woman to avoid going to court.

What, like Trump, the convicted felon, is being "held to account" in the US?
Be careful what you wish for...

Bit of a difference between a largely non-partisan ceremonial president, as compared with POTUS who has executive, legislative and judicial powers?

If he was my brother, I couldn't say but seeing as it is spectacularly impossible in my case, I'm not in a position to judge.

If I loved him and believed him, I couldn't in all conscience turn my back on him.

He didn't "pay off a woman to avoid going to court"! You don't understand what a 'settlement' is! It's usually done for economic reasons, ie it would cost more to run the case than to settle it. In Andrew's case it was likely to increase the reputational damage, and additionally it was approaching the Jubilee and the Queen didn't want anything to detract from that - and why would she, after all her years of service!

There are plenty of people happy to "associate and be friends with someone who was friends with Epstein... and visited the island" - what about the President of the United States and the former President of the United States? Why aren't you and everyone else going after them, and the rest?

Don't split hairs. Same difference!