All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew? (Season 2)

[Samcro]

Thread 2 of what is an interesting topic.

Is Andrew a 'gangrenous wound' too? Will William (if not Charles) remove his title?

I think so. But Andrew can do less harm than Harry (because he's running out of time), and will be cheaper to buy off (running out of time, happy to avail of economies of scale by living on royal grounds etc). By the time William is on the throne Andrew may be in his 70s, and may be considered grandfathered in (so to speak) by both QE2 and KC3. Unfortunately for Harry, he's a different kettle of fish (and also has displayed wanton disloyalty, which matters a lot to these people).

Both Andrew and Harry should have their titles removed .

Both of them or neither imo.

Even if you remove the dukedom, they will still be prince’s.

I thought that Parliament could remove Prince ? I could be wrong and apologies if I am.

The Prince title can be removed easier than the Dukedom, the Dukedom has to go through Parliament, the Prince title can be removed by the Monarch.

https://middletemplar.org.uk/to-strip-or-not-to-strip-prince-harrys-titles/

Sorry that was my error!

A blue-footed booby? 😀

It would be awful to remove Harry’s Prince,
he didn’t ask to be born a prince.
would be a very nasty thing to do.

Who is Harry's Prince?

Well it would free him from his toxic family .,

Lol I couldn’t think how to word it. .
a dukedom is easier to say

You could say the same for Andrew , but I doubt he’d get much sympathy!

I don’t think they should remove the titles anyway, what’s the point?
Andrew has no sons so his will die out eventually, the Sussex’s should be converted to lifetime only ( we don’t need another Sussex running about in another country)
the Windsors were Nazi sympathisers and in cahoots with them , they weren’t stripped of their titles.

I do think the hrh should be removed from both though , Andrew as punishment and m and h don’t use it anyway and it’s of little use in America.

Or to spout eco principles when you are heating Windsor Castle. Sandringham, Balmoral, Buckingham Palace and St James Palace, Kensington Palace, to name a few?

I quite like the dichotomy inherent in presenting solutions to saving the earth from far flung corners of the globe.

You couldn't make this stuff up 😂

I have greater respect for Republicans who evaluate the individual fairly, even though they do not agree with the political system.

We've had years if not decades to evaluate this lazy, duty dodging (even Harold turned up to some Commonwealth gig while Willy took a lads jolly) grasping heir.

Duke of Doolittle doesn't make the cut. IMO.

I don't see any point in removing the titles either. They will always be associated with them anyway. Both Andrew and Harry were born princes, and have been all their lives. People would still think of them like that.

H was Captain General of the Marines and chose to skip a memorial to IRA blast victims and instead attended at Lion King premiere to beg the Disney CEO to give M voiceover work. H also did not bother visiting Sentebale for five years. It is quite the choice to present H as a paragon of virtue when it comes to duty!

KC3 while Prince of Wales, skipped a State Dinner with China, a key UK trading partner and "frenemy", despite knowing full well that 1) he would be King one day, 2) China has a long memory...see the "Century of Humiliation" rhetoric from the CCP and 3) once on the throne he would have to deal with China.

All the repetitive narrative in the world will not convert a lie into the truth. W does his job, and we see the result in his polling numbers versus his father and brother. Just because W does not do the job the way certain posters want does not negative his effectiveness.

H was Captain General of the Marines and chose to skip a memorial to IRA blast victims and instead attended at Lion King premiere to beg the Disney CEO to give M voiceover work. H also did not bother visiting Sentebale for five years. It is quite the choice to present H as a paragon of virtue when it comes to duty!

I agree.

Both grifters have ducked and dived duty as it suits.

Bring on elected accountability 🙂

I don't think there is any comparison whatsoever between William and Harry.

You may not like the way he is carrying out the duties of Prince of Wales, but he's here, carrying out the role, alongside his wife, and bringing up his children to be dutiful members of the family. Whereas Harry pissed off to Cali to live "a life of service", because, "service is universal" of course (!) and is living off his wife flogging merch.

"Elected accountability" don't make me laugh! Starmer? Truss? Johnson? Yeah right!

You may not like the way he is carrying out the duties of Prince of Wales, but he's here

Well. Silly me must have missed the bit where he's supporting his cancer-stricken Pa in the dutiful Easter rounds instead of living it up on a skiing jolly.

Both men were born princes, and people will always think of them like that. But the point is to stop them/their wives from gaining financially from those titles/association with the royal family (in addition to stopping them making a mockery of those who don't, devaluing the titles themselves etc). Not doing so makes members like William and Catherine, Edward and Sophie, Anne potentially guilty of the same thing. They need to look like they absolutely do not tolerate such personal enrichment. They need to put distance between themselves and these mavericks, to maintain their own image. All the reports of Harry's calls going unanswered (for other reasons) help.

There are many advantages to removing the dukedoms, but it has to be done correctly and in context.

The real issue is their children. Beatrice and Eugenie are Princesses in the same way as Archie is Prince and Lilbet is Princess. And yet the latter two have absolutely nothing to do with the UK and the RF other than being Harry's children/KC3's grandchildren. I think this, and Andrew's age and relative toothlessness, is why Andrew might not lose his titles but Harry's family might (I think he will retain his "Prince").

The Edinburgh’s DCs are also HRH Prince and Princess but don’t use those titles. Far more sensible in this day and age.

I agree with this. IIRC E&S took the opposite approach to H&M - ie their children are technically Prince and Princess but they can decide at 18 whether to use them or not (which it would look like they haven't ) . Whereas H&M took the approach - they are having them asap whether they like it or not. Not hard to see why those two sets of parents chose differently . 😉

I'm sure his Pa doesn't mind.

You may not like the way he is carrying out the duties of Prince of Wales, but he's here, carrying out the role, alongside his wife, and bringing up his children to be dutiful members of the family. Whereas Harry pissed off to Cali to live "a life of service", because, "service is universal" of course (!) and is living off his wife flogging merch.

What does here mean?

I don't see a huge difference between the two to be honest