Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

He was trolling UKIP by joining it to subvert from within as far as I know. The rest is irrelevant.

😂😂
Brilliant! The words of a UKIP candidate 😂.
I knew Harry's followers aren't exactly in favour of social justice, but still 😂

The senior partner at my brother’s work did similar. Resigned in a strop and was then convinced the business would go under without him. The other partners got solicitor letter from him for years! And then when they learnt the art of grey rock, he started on their suppliers and governing body. He did eventually pipe down when people started returning letters using the words along the lines of slander and libel etc as his accusations got wilder and wilder. It was very stressful to be subject to that behaviour albeit humerous at times.

I think Harry's work with Invictus and other veteran organisations is admirable. He seems to be really at home and relaxed in this environment.

But Harry is not choosing that work as his battlefield. He has chosen to fight his battles through books, friendly media, the court room and interview. It is disingenuous to claim Invictus as a battlefield, there he is welcomed and does great good, he doesn't fight anyone.

I am not particularly keen on simplistic narratives like this. Harry is doing good work in this area but he is also causing a lot of damage and upset and financial cost in other areas. Harry the champion of veterans and Harry the entitled arrogant Prince can both be true. Harry the person who knows where to go to maximise publicity for his charity and Harry who is unable to grasp that he doesn't qualify for IPP status are both true.

In a fractured world, the Duke of Sussex has chosen his battle field - not one of politics or palace protocol but one of dignity, visibility & human conbection’

Nope, not seeing it.

African Parks.
The endless undignified comments he made in Spare.
The undignified comments aimed at Sophie Chandauka.
Veiled threats to his family.
Bullying.

Dignified he is not.

Thanks Puzzled!

He did eventually pipe down when people started returning letters using the words along the lines of slander and libel etc

I kind of hope that a bill for the hundreds of grand in legal expenses incurred in this joke 'case' would have a similar effect on Harry, but who knows. I think he is completely delusional and living in his own little world, with his only confidant the wife who is encouraging his paranoia.

I also hope that he doesn't win this appeal on a technicality because even if it would almost certainly end with RAVEC coming to the same conclusion all over again, it would presumably mean that he would not be obliged to pay the government's costs in fighting this ridiculous 'case'.

I honestly feel a bit sorry for Harry. I am by no means a fan but just think that the whole dramatic exit was so badly thought out. He just never seemed to realise that he wouldn't get paid for security for ever in another country. I am assuming he thought that he would get that plus security for Meghan and his children - all in different schools/work places/colleges forever??

I guess if one has never had to actually pay for anything really - in terms of rent/utilites/cars/security - branching out and being self sufficient must be an enormous shock.

I guess when he did his original back of a fag pack sums for living overseas he just didn't take into account the cost of security.

In an ideal world Meghan's business will cover all their costs but I think unlikely and that means he will need to make £££ and that is just going to be painful for the royals.

I just can't see how this resolves itself well for any of them really.

This is an interesting thread. Just on the point about Liz Truss- 2 serving MPs have been murdered in recent years just going about their duties. I would imagine there is a clear and ongoing threat especially towards people who have held more senior roles in politics such as former PMs.

It is interesting about former PM's and if they lived abroad forever - I personally would think there should then be a re-adjustment of their security.

He just never seemed to realise that he wouldn't get paid for security for ever in another country. I am assuming he thought that he would get that plus security for Meghan and his children - all in different schools/work places/colleges forever??

He was specifically told in the 'Sandringham Summit' that his security arrangements would change once he stepped down from his royal role. However, he seemed to think this was some sort of conspiracy against him and that the rules wouldn't apply to him because he's a prince of the realm.

A planted and briefed clapback at social media

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14598669/Prince-Harry-insiders-safe-Ukraine-trip.html

But that was after his dramatic statement wasn't it? The website setting out how he thought it would work? I can't remember to be honest . . .

Not sure Harry would have bothered going to Ukraine if he didn’t think it would a) gain him brownie points for his ridiculous IPP claim as an important something or other. b) gain him publicity and c) enable him to do the same as his brother

To get one up on his brother, who has probably been told it's too risky for him to go to Ukraine.

Yes, but when he made the decision to fly off to another continent with no job, no home and no role he knew that his security arrangements would change once he became a private citizen. He was fibbing when he claimed otherwise on Oprah. If he was determined to fly off across the Atlantic in a mad rush, then it was up to him to work out the security arrangements for himself and his family.

Wasn't the "plan" (not Meghan's real plan obviously) originally Canada. Maybe he thought there might be security for him there as son of the head of state (or grandson at the time). Meghan is clueless about most things clearly so probably persuaded him LA was better without considering the down side.

He himself said that he told Meghan there was no way their secure would removed . Clearly he thought Granny, Pa and brother ( his nemesis) were bluffing .

aka "the truth"

Yet the Queen used to let Prince Phillip have a go and fly the royal flight on royal tours

In the 1930-70s plane crashes were more common in the Queens younger years and several European royals died (not counting those in the luftwaffe) - so it may be she thought it more dangerous
1936 Prince Adolf II - engine trouble Mexico
1937 The family of Prince Phillip's sister (Princess Cecilie of Greece and Denmark), bad weather - Belgium
1942 Prince George of Kent - Navigation error Scotland
1947 Crown Prince Gustav Adolf of Sweden - stalled on take off Denmark
1969 Archduchess Maria Ileana - bad weather Brazil
1972 Prince William of Gloucester - crashed into trees at airshow England

Harry’s truth? We all know that doesn’t necessarily align with reality.

Thanks for that very interesting. Prince William was a very interesting character that did real jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_William_of_Gloucester

He (they) were given the opportunity to change their minds and return if they wanted. I really think he is mentally unwell and I’m not saying it as a jibe or insult.

Problem is how many of us are affected by RAVEC decisions? Will people really care when they are just trying to figure out how to pay bills? May be. I suppose as part of escapism.

I do wonder if this saga will ever end and I'd so, when?

Well, we taxpayers are paying for Harry's security when in the UK, so it impacts us.

Because Harry would very likely go straight to the press, and the security services would rather deal with these things calmly than face a tsunami on social media?

I could quite see them saying in more general terms that his security needed enhancing for a while, but to hand details to someone so thoroughly indiscreet would be madness - if only because of possible copycats

Edited to add that Professor Tim Wilson's entitled to his opinion, and I'll even agree with him over visibility and the bits of human connection which suit, but dignity??!!!

He's got to be joking ...