Page 10 | Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

smilesy · 2025-04-11T18:04:55+00:00

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 12/04/2025 10:51

Lifestooshort71 · 12/04/2025 10:01

Is all this so H can ease himself back into the UK on a more regular basis, giving him a bolthole when life in Montecito becomes too much? He could flit back and forth (on his own, obviously) without having to announce his arrival 10 days in advance, and without having to officially split from M. Is he looking to the future?

I can't see it. They seem far too unhealthily enmeshed still.

I think this whole security thing is more like FOMO on H's part.

JSMill · 12/04/2025 10:52

StartupRepair · 12/04/2025 10:46

Sometimes I think about the Netflix trailer with Harry saying in dark portentous tones, 'it's a hierarchy '. No shit Sherlock.

🤣🤣🤣

MayaKovskaya · 12/04/2025 10:53

StartupRepair · 12/04/2025 10:46

Sometimes I think about the Netflix trailer with Harry saying in dark portentous tones, 'it's a hierarchy '. No shit Sherlock.

True! Somehow I think that was ok when he was near the top of the hierarchy.

Profhilodisaster · 12/04/2025 10:55

MayaKovskaya · 12/04/2025 10:38

This is typical, @IcedPurple because they contradict themselves the whole time. Neither of them seem to have the sense to at least get the stories straight.

Even more stupid that they don't realise that everything they say is documented in some way or another so their contradictions are available for all to see.
They must think we all came down with yesterday's rain , which I take exception to!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 12/04/2025 10:57

Profhilodisaster · 12/04/2025 10:55

Even more stupid that they don't realise that everything they say is documented in some way or another so their contradictions are available for all to see.
They must think we all came down with yesterday's rain , which I take exception to!

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Oh no, the peasents are starting to revolt! 😂

Fluffyholeysocks · 12/04/2025 10:59

As time goes on, with the instigation of more legal action, I've come to the conclusion that H was so reliant on the RF 'machine' with its advisors before his marriage. Some of the statements he has made would never have been made if he was still part of the RF. I winced when I heard him complain that his father 'had cut him off financially'. This was coming from a 40 year old man - how did he think the rest of us manage? The claims he makes about security just makes me think he really is out of touch with us mere mortals. If he were still in the RF machine, he would be advised on just how ridiculous some of his statements are and how badly they are landing with the general public.

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smilesy · 12/04/2025 11:07

Hazeby · 12/04/2025 10:41

Of course, in most people's understanding, 'bespoke' is actually a superior version

Well, this is key isn’t it? He obviously believes it isn’t whereas they think it is, or at least equal to.

I would say that the vast majority of Harry’s issues stem from the fact that he thinks people are picking on him. He just has a permanent victim mentality. I don’t think he has actually stopped to think what he really wants (or what is really necessary to have) in terms of security when he comes to the UK. By whatever process this “bespoke” arrangement was arrived at, to the average person it seems fair and practicable. But Harry won’t see that because he is focused on some imagined unfair treatment. I suspect that even if RAVEC end up having to consult the RMP and they come to the same conclusion, Harry will look to be moving the goalposts as to why this still isn’t fair

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Butteredtoast55 · 12/04/2025 11:08

I've said it before but how I wish he'd give an outraged interview to Emily Maitlis so she could make mincemeat of him.
I'm so tired of his relentless petulant whinging. He still has advantages and circumstances beyond many people's wildest dreams and a father who still loves him. Why can't he genuinely bugger off and live his life well and let others do the same?

LivelyMintViper · 12/04/2025 11:10

If he feels in danger in the UK. Don't come. Simple. Why would he want to anyway? It's not as if he is deep in friends and family who want to see him. And by all accounts he feels the same. And he seems happy in the US.

Mightymoog · 12/04/2025 11:17

MayaKovskaya · 12/04/2025 10:53

True! Somehow I think that was ok when he was near the top of the hierarchy.

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yes, he seemedfar happier being near the top of the hierarchy.
Not just of his family but of the country.
Must be an awfu shock to be an almost "normal" person who doesn't get everything he wants.

MayaKovskaya · 12/04/2025 11:18

Butteredtoast55 · 12/04/2025 11:08

I've said it before but how I wish he'd give an outraged interview to Emily Maitlis so she could make mincemeat of him.
I'm so tired of his relentless petulant whinging. He still has advantages and circumstances beyond many people's wildest dreams and a father who still loves him. Why can't he genuinely bugger off and live his life well and let others do the same?

That would be brilliant. I'd love to see that.

Mylovelygreendress · 12/04/2025 11:20

NautilusLionfish · 12/04/2025 00:49

No. He only want Mey police protection when he is in uk. Only then. In US and elsewhere he pays himself and wife

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Originally he wanted ( and expected) to retain IPP status therefore paid for security worldwide.

AuroraCake · 12/04/2025 11:21

Mylovelygreendress · 12/04/2025 11:20

Originally he wanted ( and expected) to retain IPP status therefore paid for security worldwide.

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Yeah it's what he wants now.

Starseeking · 12/04/2025 11:24

vera99 · 12/04/2025 08:50

Can't realistically be done. 15 Parliaments are bot going to find time for a family squabble they are busy enough as they are;

Great question — and it’s one that taps into both constitutional law and the weird quirks of monarchy. Here’s how it would (and wouldn’t) work:
🧬 Can King Charles just remove Harry and his kids from the line of succession?
No — not on his own. The King doesn't have the power to unilaterally change the line of succession. This isn't Game of Thrones — it's UK constitutional monarchy territory.
🏛️ So how could it happen?
It would require an Act of Parliament. Here's the process:

Draft Legislation: A bill would need to be introduced — probably called something like the Succession Reform Act or similar.
Pass in Parliament: It would need to pass both the House of Commons and the House of Lords.
Royal Assent: Ironically, King Charles would then have to give royal assent to the very law that removes his own son and grandchildren from the succession.

⚠️ This would be politically explosive. It would raise constitutional questions, set a modern precedent, and potentially cause major public backlash — depending on why it was being done. 🌐 And because the monarchy is a Commonwealth institution… The UK can’t act alone. Under the Perth Agreement (2011), all 15 realms that share the British monarch — like Australia, Canada, New Zealand — would have to agree and pass equivalent laws to change the rules of succession. So... it’s a bureaucratic nightmare. 👶 Why it’s tricky with Harry’s kids: Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet are:

Born into the line under the Succession to the Crown Act 2013, which removed gender bias and updated marriage rules.
Still eligible because Harry hasn’t renounced his place or been removed by law.

So unless Parliament passes a very specific law removing them by name (which would look very petty and targeted), they stay in line — even if they never take up royal duties. 🧨 Bottom line:

Charles can’t do it himself.
Parliament could, but it would be a huge deal.
And Harry & co. staying in the line, even symbolically, is part of what keeps the pot boiling for critics.

This is really interesting, thanks.

I would imagine a Government which sought to remove Harry and his family from the line of succession would actually be quite popular. I doubt Charles or William would object.

Just because it hasn’t been done before, doesn’t mean it can’t be. We’ve seen all sorts of new behaviour from the Royals since the H&M relationship started.

Purplebunnie · 12/04/2025 11:31

@Thoughtsonstuff

If I remember correctly the law was not changed for Charlotte it was changed before George was even a twinkle in William's eye.

Uricon2 · 12/04/2025 11:31

vera99 · 12/04/2025 08:56

Harry could abdicate and solve all the problems. In that case, Charles could negotiate a one-off divorce settlement and bundle security, NDAs, etc., into that. Let’s say £50 million — job done.

£50 million wouldn't be enough to fund the sort of security he wants for potentially another half century, and that's before any legacy benefit of it for Archie and Lili. It's multi million dollars a year and that's without all the other expenses of living. I now firmly believe he is wheedling for IPP status so he won't have to pay out anything.

He needs to grow up and start listening to people who actually understand Royal protection, preferably while he's still dealing with a father rather than a very angry, hurt brother.

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smilesy · 12/04/2025 11:31

AuroraCake · 12/04/2025 11:21

Yeah it's what he wants now.

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What he doesn’t understand is that IPP status is not pertinent to which family he belongs to, it is pertinent to the relationship of that person to the government or country they are representing. Harry does not represent the UK, in spite of the accident of his birth, because he has chosen not to be a working royal. So he doesn’t qualify as an IPP

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utterexasperation · 12/04/2025 11:31

Mightymoog · 12/04/2025 11:17

yes, he seemedfar happier being near the top of the hierarchy.
Not just of his family but of the country.
Must be an awfu shock to be an almost "normal" person who doesn't get everything he wants.

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This is the thing though - he is still an extremely privileged person. The very fact that he is there in court disputing his unique and bespoke scenario highlights this even more. If anything it makes him look even more of a twat. He doesn't seem to see it. Happy Harry entering court on day one. Teary Harry leaving court on day two.

Then he himself raises his twatdom by sloping off to Ukraine. His stupidity knows no bounds.

MummyJ12 · 12/04/2025 11:41

Lifestooshort71 · 12/04/2025 10:01

Is all this so H can ease himself back into the UK on a more regular basis, giving him a bolthole when life in Montecito becomes too much? He could flit back and forth (on his own, obviously) without having to announce his arrival 10 days in advance, and without having to officially split from M. Is he looking to the future?

I think H&M are still going strong. They seem to be working as a team for sure. For example, Harry complaining about his lack of security and safety in the UK. While Meghan goes out in NY last night to the theatre to see Gypsy and gets a full on police escort. As if to make the point of, “look how well we’re looked after in the US”.
I think we’ve learned that Harry is willing to sacrifice everything for his wife. Even his dignity and reputation. Whether this unconditional love is reciprocated is another matter.

utterexasperation · 12/04/2025 11:49

I believe she hired it @MummyJ12 with decoy SUVs. Such is her self importance.

HonoriaBulstrode · 12/04/2025 11:50

I don't think much of this is on Meghan.

Not the court cases, but the racism allegations were all her, and she linked that to the question of titles and security.

I think one of H's problems is that having cut himself off from the family and old friends, there is no-one to say to him 'look, mate, you're being a twat'.

MummyJ12 · 12/04/2025 11:51

Oh did she? Wow!! That would make it even worse!!
In the NY post article it claims there was an unmarked NYPD vehicle in the motorcade and the comments are complaining about tax payers money being spent on it.

https://x.com/nypost/status/1910687269725352312

utterexasperation · 12/04/2025 11:54

"At the end of the two-day appeal yesterday,
Shaheed Fatima KC, for the duke, said the "human dimension" of the case must not be forgotten. She continued: "There is a person sitting behind me whose safety, whose security, and whose life is at stake."

She must be thinking WTF now!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2025 11:56

When he visits the UK, I think he should be treated like any other VIP - an assessment carried out as to what protection is or isn’t required. Isn’t that what he is arguing? That they didn’t follow that usual procedure and instead invented a random ‘bespoke’ process just for him?

Yes that seems to be what he's arguing, @Hazeby, but if he had been treated like "any other VIP" I've not the least doubt that would have been wrong too, as in "I'm not just a VIP, I'm a PRINCE and I need a bespoke deal!!"

What he's saying has ceased to make any sense at all now, but then clearly there wasn't much to start with which is why he's in this mess

IAmATorturedPoet · 12/04/2025 11:58

Just taking in a show? or making a show?

pagesix.com/2025/04/11/royal-family/meghan-markle-hires-over-the-top-motorcade-for-broadway-night/