Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

You're right, but to be fair his barrister emphasised the whole "brave to be here" part.

Well, quite obviously, he doesn't want a quiet life, and he certainly doesn't want a non royal one. A very high profile, headline grabbing quasi royal life. With free security.

Erm.. even Diana's biggest fan Meghan didn't know who he was, according to her, when they met. Sounds extremely private life to me

The barrister was being directed by Harry, in my view. As he didn't need to be there, you could argue that it was foolish to be there.

Pretty priceless that he’s complaining about safety and then going into a war zone voluntarily. Hope the judge is aware.

I agree. He could easily have joined by zoom.

He a knob and feels the need to prove it time and time again

What a donut 😂😂😂

Now he's made himself a target too for the Russians 😂😂

Sorry - I've only read the first and last pages!
Putting it ridiculously simply, I know, but...........
Harry left the UK in 2020, and also completely stepped away from the Royal Family and royal life.
But it suits him to continue being Prince Harry and the Duke of Sussex.
If he wants to visit Britain, that's up to him. His choice to leave, his choice to visit.
I sincerely wish that protocol, legislation, or whatever, could take both those titles away from him.
I don't actually have strong feelings for him or Meghan either way, but if they want to be independent and make their own living, they should do it without hanging on to their titles.

Well, the Russians are obviously not as dangerous as being in Westminster Abbey, St Paul's Cathedral, a London courtroom or a private limousine from Heathrow 🙄

Neil Sean says William will definitely be taking away the Sussex title when he ascends the throne because he's so furious about M merching it. There would need yo be an Act of Parliament. He could take away Andrew's too. Prince can't be taken away, apparently, because a prince is born not made.

Sorry, this thread was created to discuss Harry's security arrangements.
I should have gone on to say - Harry chooses to come to the UK?
Then Harry should pay for his own security.
His finances are hardly at the level at which he needs to go to food banks.

Ooh, I didn't know that about the Sussex title - that would be wonderful.
Yes, I suspected that would be the case regarding the prince title.

@Cesarina I know it's a long thread, but there is some very good detail and some interesting points about security, and we have been following the court proceedings.
Harry is expatriate, and no longer a working royal, but when in the UK, he is entitled to taxpayer funded security. He will always get security.
His issue is that he doesn't feel safe in the UK, he doesn't want to give the Home Office any notice of his visits, and the level of protection - he claims - should be higher, similar to the King and the Prince of Wales.

The Prince title can be removed by the monarch, this article explains.

middletemplar.org.uk/to-strip-or-not-to-strip-prince-harrys-titles/

My catty side suspects that he doesn’t have an awful lot to do day-to-day in California so an opportunity for a trip ( plus we now know about the visit to Ukraine) wasn’t to be missed.

I'd also suspect he has good memories of his army days and so any chance to revisit military settings - being kept safer than the folks on the front line, of course - is welcome. Invictus is the charity of his he clearly feels strongest about, on the basis of the attention he's given it compared to others in recent years.

I don't usually post on this board because it's really none of my business but as Harry has been all over the news I thought i'd check it out & holy shit I haven't been disappointed 😮

@IcedPurple "...The whole thing is such a farce"

I really couldn't agree more, not least because now we know of the "secret" Ukraine visit, it really is a farce & he a total farcissist

Actually there is a Meghan England quiz on YouTube, she came across as being quite likeable and miles more down to earth.

Not sure if this was before or after she met Harry but she said she preferred Harry to William. I only watched it after they met because I have never seen Suits and wondered what the press were on about.

I think his visit to Ukraine only serve to highlight the fact that his court case makes no sense. What does he want security in the UK for if he can mange to make it to one of the most volatile places currently on the planet without the need for Special Protection accompanying him. Indeed he has presumably gone without the knowledge of the Foreign Office 🤷‍♀️

Naïve or stupid?

Harry is expatriate, and no longer a working royal, but when in the UK, he is entitled to taxpayer funded security. He will always get security.

Not to be pedantic, but Harry is not 'entitled' to security. If current threat assessments indicate there is a need, he will be provided with security but there is no obligation on the part of the authorities. It is a 'bespoke' arrangement which could change at any time, and not necessarily in Harry's favour.

Yes, you're right. Apologies if my phrasing is wrong.
I'm just challenging the popular idea that Harry doesn't automatically get protection, his security needs will always be considered.

Hard for you to know how much vitrioland hatred is against them when you've not read the thread