Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

I have a theory that H&M could actually be at risk from the SS , some of them are clearly unhinged and fanatical, it's these sort of people that can easily turn on their idols .

But she only has security when carrying out official duties. She does not have round the clock police protection.

Incorrect. He has been prepared to do that all along and has said so several times.

In any event, it’s been denied. So he won’t be protected by the tax payer but neither will he be protected at his own expense. I can’t believe so many people are salivating about that.

Neither is this what Harry is asking for.

Quite, I've reported that post it was quite unpleasant and exhibited all the bigotry the poster accused so many others of.

What are you talking about?

His security 'needs' are kept under continual review and provided he cooperates with the relevant bodies, he is provided with whatever security is deemed appropriate on his visits to Britain. He simply doesn't have highly trained, in demand specialist security officers hanging around waiting for him to pop over on a whim.

These arrangements have been public knowledge for some time now. Could you tell me what exactly is unreasonable about them? They seem more than fair and generous to me.

And rightly so our police force is not for hire by an ex Royal.

He can pay for his own unarmed security the same as celebrities do. What he wants is armed security with access to intelligence.

Taxpayer funded security is based on a very careful assessment of potential risks to the individual, and of the impact a 'successful' attack would have on national security. What the individual 'asks for' does not form part of that assessment. Nor should it.

Well what is he asking for then? We keep coming back to this. He gets security when he comes to the Uk, which he doesn’t do very often. If he isn’t asking for 24/7 security and doesn’t want to find a way to get the UK to pay for his security (even though, in practice, he can’t), what does he want?

How would that actually work if he was allowed to pay? Police work to a rota , if Harry suddenly decides to come to the UK , how would they pull a number of officers out of the rota ? The only way is to have a team sitting around waiting for him, which is a massive waste of resources.

No, they can't have people paying for it. Can you imagine? Any celebrity, foreign prince, drug lord, oligarch, whoever, could just buy armed protection on a whim, and strut through London.
It has to be very tightly regulated and organised. Overseen by the government

Can you imagine! Harry snapping his fingers and getting armed Met Police to get him a slushy.

@DelectableMe it was a hypothetical question,(not worded very well) obviously it's a ridiculous idea, you can't put the police up for hire .

He has been prepared to (pay) all along and has said so several times

No, @BoredZelda; he claimed to have offered to pay, but as it turned out the Home Office knew nothing about it before these cases started

As PPs have said it doesn't work like that anyway, but surely the time to have offered would have been before it got to this stage, rather than tacking it on later just to make his case look better - and incidentally blow what scraps might have been left of his credibility

Mind you, Harry AKA the later Henry V did have to have an arrow dug out of his face, slowly and painfully, after the Battle of Shrewsbury (remarkable how it was managed) He was 16.

Don't know they're born, these modern princes.

ETA not as bad of course as not getting an extra sausage.

I too would love to know exactly what Harry is asking for. Not that it has any bearing on RAVEC's decision, but I would like to know.

I suspect he doesn't know himself.

Without Palace PR support, it is apparent that H operates at a parallel line to reality. H has no concept of the diplomatic ramifications of his desires for IPP. H would be eviscerated by the right-wing rage machine and would be driven out of America as Americans who fought G3 for independence would absolutely refuse to pay for his wayward descendent. Starmer, Lammy and Mandelson would be landed with a most unwelcome diplomatic hot potato at a time of tension with their key strategic ally. Trump's unorthodox approach to international affairs could well result in a "Harry tariff" being imposed on the UK as a punishment for IPP costs to the US taxpayer!

The blunt truth is that H is not as important to the institution of the monarchy as W. W's position in the hierarchy is absolute and all the court cases in the world will not get H the same security considerations as W. H's bespoke solution is more than generous, and IMHO, RAVEC should have insisted on at least 30 days notice and should only provide security for formal state occasions.

H chose to leave, so he can make his own security arrangements just like any other high-profile celebrity. He needs to drop these court cases that only serve to enrich his lawyers, and instead focus on building a new life that is NOT based on a corrosive envy of W.

Quite! Can you imagine?!

There would be influencers doing this and filming outings to dangerous and busy places in the hope that somebody tries to attack them and they can get the armed police reacting on video.

Excellent post, @My2cents1975 👍

Oh god, it would be anarchy.

It's the same as trying to hire the army to drive a tank over your neighbour's car because they have dared to park outside your house 🤣

😂don't tempt me!
In all seriousness, there was a rather worrying episode in "Spare" where Harry was doing some sort of armed flight training,spotted his father's car and wanted to strafe it.
He seemed pleased with himself that he didn't. That man shouldn't have responsibility for anything other than juggling balls and the code for Nickelodeon.

He certainly didn't have it driving near Kings Lynn a few years back, maybe a Royal Protection officer in the car with him.