Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

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Oh my god, the number of people on these threads as well who are just clueless about the law/Constitutional Monarchy.
Thinking that Charles is in charge of the government, or at least the Home Office! Open a book.

I thought 'bespoke' was always better than 'standard' being that it means a product or service has been specifically designed to meet an individual's needs. How they can argue that it's inferior is very odd.

It's only because it's not the same as Charles and William, but the barrister can't say that so she's spinning his usual victim nonsense.

Exactly. “Bespoke” would suggest to most people that some thought and care had gone in to the arrangements unless there are those who think it’s refer a bicycle wheel or something 🙄😆

I have an awful feeling that they will rule in favour of Harry.

...and then as I understand it the decision gets punted back to RAVEC who will probably say no again.

Harry has done a good job at being below the radar for the last few days ( for example it doesn't seem to be widely known exactly when and exactly how he arrived in the UK) he's only breaking cover when it has suited him and when that happened we now know his security has been adequate.

He must be the only person who sees a problem with the current arrangements.

@smilesy He does receive security. Lots of it if he’s with King and PoW at a state event. It’s bespoke according to what he’s doing. If he’s just wanting to visit Zara, not so much. Most people think that’s reasonable.

I also think he seems to have dropped his old friends. Presumably M wanted this but it feels that he’s not really a caring person and a transient one. Friends are there when you need them but not for life. Most of what Harry supports doesn’t seem to last.

Thing is, even if they do it only means RAVEC have to rerun their assessment. No guarantee it would actually change their approach to Harry's security and I would be surprised if they did.

The point is, he's not a diplomat or statesman, however much he thinks he is.

If he won, then RAVEC reassessed, which led to even less security - what then?

I have a suspicion that Harry may have a win on a technicality which will be shown again in a reduction of costs, but not a win that the security will need to change or be further looked at

A fresh batch of court cases probably, if this was allowed on the basis of it being a new decision?

As for the submission that "“he should be considered under the terms of reference and subject to the same process as any other individual being considered for protective security by Ravec, unless there is a cogent reason to the contrary”", if he had been considered in the way "any other person" is I've no doubt at all he'd object to that too

I watched as much as my brain could tolerate on YouTube, and I did think the judge was looking a bit - well, unfriendly when talking to the HO barrister. So I agree that it may well end up in a “win” in some way for Harry.

If it goes back again to RAVEV, and they make a decision again that Harry doesn’t like, can he appeal again? Again, again, again….

Above and beyond this, he’s asking for something hugely expensive. I saw someone on The Times YouTube wondering about what if he chose to nip over to see mates (or rather mate in the singular ie the gross nipple prat) every other week? He’d bankrupt the country!

But he wants the fanfare, guns, blacked out SUV cavalcade, press coverage, he wants to be that important. It hasn't occurred to him that most people don't give a shit about him.

Christ I hope not, every time he gets a pass, he gets more insufferable. Also means we pay his costs not just HO 😡 because the tax payer has an endless source of money.

He has become repulsively self-regarding over the years. What exactly is the point of him?

The thought of him being on an O-1 visa … dear lord. Is it for Services to Hypocrisy? Trump’s more than welcome not to deport him, as far as I’m concerned. He’s all yours, mate. If you try to give him back, I hope the UK puts a £1 billion tariff on him.

Really? Why do you think that? Even if they do rule in favour of him, Ravec will have to run the process again, including the 'missing' risk assessment, and may end up giving axactly the same advice on his security.

But the reality is there has been zero security issues with them.

Even if the Ginger Whinger "wins" I don't see how a court can order the state to provide a certain level of security, which for all the talk about procedures and how things have been done is really what Harry wants - gun toting bodyguards travelling at high speed in convoys. The most the Court can surely do is order RAVEC to review Harry's security in the standard rather than bespoke way. Given that the standard way probably doesn't allow for someone in Harry's position he will likely come off worse.
It is also worth saying that given other working members of the Royal Family i.e. Anne & Edward, who carry out public duties, don't get 24/7 armed protection anymore it is going to be a real stretch for Harry to get it whilst no longer being an 'official royal'.
If he is that bothered about security why does he consistently keep turning down the offer to stay in a royal residence when he is visiting the UK over choosing to stay in hotels.

The US visa issue - will that come up? When he goes back and if there’s a problem he might get put in border detention? The Welsh lady for example who ran into problems and was stuck in detention. It could be a risk.

It appears that the woman who shouted out at Harry is indeed part of the SS

I'm wondering if we will have another staged car chase soon just to swing things in his favour

It was all just for show. Harry’s and his team know they ain’t getting nowhere. That’s what the performance of him being sat in court was about. He wasn’t needed there, he wasn’t giving evidence. This was just a sad PR exercise- the whole ‘his life is at stake’ hyperbole. But Harry thinks it’s worth the money to get some press attention. The man is an embarrassment.

At least it will be over soon. The judges opinion will be given out after Easter.

He needs to move on and give up on any idea of returning to the UK. He won’t get security, he’s estranged from family and friends, who don’t want him here. It’s over Harry.

Enjoy being a househusband of Monticeto.

I doubt it will come to that.

He and his fans will be insufferable if he wins even on a technicality.

Excuse me..."near catastrophic car chase"
If you don't mind. 😂