Harry RAVEC decision appeal

[smilesy]

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

Harry has to double down and has to remain in the victim mode, especially when in the UK as otherwise he has to come to terms with the fact he blew up nearly 40 years of his life. He can shield himself when in the US but in the UK it's a stark reminder that most of his extended family really do not want anything to do with him, I doubt he will ever have a relationship with his nephews and niece. To cope with that he returns to the mantra everyone else is to blame with media and royal family interchangeable as primary source of his woes. He has to be a mere victim in his story

That’s a correctly functioning system. It makes it all the more odd that H wants what the King etc has.

I know the current judges will be concentrating on the arguments etc but Oh what wouldn't I give to know what they are privately thinking of Harry 😂

Side note:

Harry can’t bring his family because of safety concerns

Yet he moves said family to an area of high risk of fire and mudslides. So high is the risk, many homes in the area cannot get insurance. If you’re lucky enough to get some, then it will set you back at least 100k. However, most are rich enough in the area to rebuild, that they even bother.

That’s in addition to moving to a country where there is a much higher risk of gun crime and high profile assassinations. Trump has called his wife terrible, South Park called her an Instagram Loving Bitch Wife, Spotify exec a ‘fucking grifter’, Vanity Fair and Hollywood Reporter have called her a bully. If someone was going to make any attempt on their lives….it wouldn’t be in the UK.

The man is an utter loon.

I believe the KC for the government said in his remarks yesterday that Harry “can’t see the wood for the trees”. He was obviously referring to the fact that Harry can’t seem to understand that the ad hoc basis on which he is allocated security in the UK meets his need perfectly. I do also think that this is a general theme for Harry though. He fixates on one thing and all logic surrounding other issues goes out of the window

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@smilesy - I agree .

Re wood for the trees - I am not a barrister , but I suspect to some extent his legal team are making bricks without straw. I think the Judge said they are betting all their money on the RMB not having been involved. So because the general provision for Harry seems more than reasonable they are having to resort to nitpicking about the process. Now, they're being paid to do it. But it's Harry instructing them. No, I don't think logic is Harry's longest suit.

Gun laws vary by state. I have a family member who lives in a state that allows concealed carry. He always carries a gun and keeps a full set of kevlar body armor in his car. However, if he visits NY, he can't bring a gun since he's not allowed to bring it in if NY is his final destination. He can be arrested if he is stopped and the gun is found.

These are the California gun laws:

https://oag.ca.gov/ogvp/overview-firearm-law

It looks as though Harry can buy a semiautomatic assault rifle! They are much less strict than I imagined.

Yet again many thanks, Serenster - I hadn't realised (but then I wouldn't ) that this "two bites of the cherry" thing existed

The only slight thing is that with one application resulting in a "yes" I'd expect him to think that one didn't count, but of course that's something else again

@BemusedAmerican

"It looks as though Harry can buy a semiautomatic assault rifle! They are much less strict than I imagined."

I used to dip on and out of a few States where firearms were almost freely available and if you had the right friends locally you might get an invite to a days "plinking" on the local range..

Not sure of the detailed regs and what paperwork Harry would need to provide if he was in the market but there are plenty of "guns r us" stores" that sell all sorts of interesting ordnance on line, for example

wbtguns.com/rifles/harrington-richardson-723-carbine-14-7-california-legal-223-5-56-gray/

I don't know, but am pretty sure the judge said something about timings and "everybody needing to be heard", which makes me wonder whether this was some sort of tactic to ensure others weren't?

I've no idea if this actually happens in court - it certainly does elsewhere - but should Harry's brief be "cut off" in any way I can well imagine that leading to a claim that he couldn't be properly represented

He can bring his usual US bodyguards as well - they just can't bring their guns

Although he is notoriously mean about paying for things out of his own pocket. It's one of the reasons that he broke up with Cressida back in the day - because he demanded that she had to pay $1,000 for her flight to attend Harry's mate's wedding as his +1. (despite him getting a £2 million a year allowance)

Not going to his friend’s wedding ( one of the so called Band of Brothers) because of a lack of security is pretty low even for Harry!

True, but then we don't know the full circumstances, @Mylovelygreendress

Though invited, there could have been some reason he didn't want to go - another guest he didn't wish to encounter perhaps? - which resulted in him using this as a convenient "Waaahhh, I can't go because I'm not safe" opportunity

This is all just a moot point anyway.

Even if they found that the judge made the wrong interpretation of something or other……at the other end…..RAVEC still won’t change their position. Nothing is bringing back his previous security arrangement, the bespoke package he has now perfectly fits his needs. Just not his wants.

On the plus side, it means he doesn’t visit the UK much, which is great for the public purse!

Every cloud and all that.

Sorry I’ve not kept up with the thread. Which wedding did he miss? Was it the Duke of Westminster’s last year?

It certainly seemed like he would have attended the Duke of Westminster’s wedding had William not been going. He didn’t cite security concerns there 🤷‍♀️

Not attending that wedding was kind. A wedding is about the two people getting married. Not a hypothetical reunion of brothers. To be honest, I can’t imagine anyone being overly thrilled to have a high profile royal at their wedding, cos everyone must just be looking at them.

Exactly, smilesy, and as you said in the earlier spot-on post, giving him everything he wants could actually lead to further problems

Because if we're correct that Meghan will never allow the DCs to visit the UK again, the granting of 24/7 security would remove an all-too-convenient excuse and the problem would then become much closer to home

I thought that the Westminsters hadn't invited Harry because they didn't want the drama? William is an old friend.

His old royal life is his only USP, he has nothing else to offer, not even a minor role in a tacky cable TV programme.

In appeal hearings, where there is no calling of witnesses and cross-examination etc, a court day essentially consists of barristers speaking non-stop from 10.30am to 4.15pm, interrupted only by questions from the bench, and a lunch break. They are timetabled in advance, so each party know how long they have to speak for. It’s seen as “bad form” to overrun and thus squeeze someone else’s time, and judges will often try and manage things so that doesn’t happen.

If time is being very squeezed the judges will try and accommodate it by sitting late, or starting earlier, or in extreme cases adjourning a hearing part-heard and finding another day to hear the rest of it.

Did he not have security then when his father was diagnosed with cancer and he was here within 48 hours?

@AuroraCake That doesn’t happen because at this level of wedding people have manners and know how to behave appropriately. Plus the Royals only go to the weddings of close friends. They know the groom or bride and everyone is relaxed about them being there.

She's just using it as an excuse and leverage to get what they want IMO. We won't do it without security ... you'll get appropriate security ... that's not enough, we want what WE want, not what you give us .... it's all bollocks!
Please PLEASE let one of those judges read the riot act to Harry, put him in his place and tell him to stop abusing the country and its money ... tell him no!

I’m guessing that not attending the wedding citing security immediately before this appeal was definitely for show, trying to prove how inconvenient his lack of security is. But he would easily have been able to give 10 days notice. It just proves how intransigent he is on adhering to any of the requirements for security.

If the person Harry is obsessed with is Andrew then he is on a loser. Because he doesn’t have security anymore. Only that provided to the Windsor estate. He never goes anywhere anyway. None of the rest have it apart from work. His aunt and uncle while working. His cousins here they live because of estate security. The only ones with round the clock security is C and C, W, C, G, C, L. Charlotte and Louis will loose it when they grow up too. Harry’s would have been decreased.