Sentebale #4

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Harry

To be honest, it’s all just got too bizarre.

I just can’t believe someone can just walk into a job by threatening legal action, how are they expecting the public to believe this?

Of course he sat on his arse doing chuff all for the other 6 days. I didn't realise he only worked if it was caught on camera.

Let’s try to ignore the William stuff. It’s been done before and the posters making fun of his work ethic are trying to peel away the criticism from Harry.

So far Harry has:

• started a PR war with the head of Senetable by releasing a statement that he’s leaving. Thus opening this can of worms.
• clapped back by via a highly racist and sexist statement via a friend. Which just added fuel to the fire.

So far the lunatic squad have:

• edited Sophie’s wiki page to discredit her.
• started unsubstantiated rumours about financial mismanagement
• tried to deflect the conversation to William’s work ethic

So far none of it it sticking. Harry is in deep poopoo and still digging. Will he stop before he buries himself and his wife (and her new brand)?

No idea @AtIusvue!
but I have to say , why exactly is the telegraph printing this tripe! , I couldn’t read it fully , did they sound sympathetic to Harry or were they doing a daily mail and giving enough rope?
because she could sue them for these comments!

This is really awful for Sophie Chandauka, H&M's past disasters haven't affected anyone else this badly before.

Edited to say : obviously the Sussex Squad going after Catherine was very nasty too but the Sophie stuff is a direct result of Harry's actions.

Absolutely.

There's also the question of where charitable donations dating from when the royal foundation was split and ultimately transferred to Travesty ended up.

As an aside isn't it amazing how Henry and Rachel can successfully set up these secretive organisations without a hitch yet falter time after time when it comes to such things as trademarks and filing accounts by the due date?

Let’s try to ignore the William stuff. It’s been done before and the posters making fun of his work ethic are trying to peel away the criticism from Harry.

Both are fair game as far as I'm concerned but...in line with the title of the thread I'll try and stick with Harold's latest showstopper unless something too tempting means I can't 😎

I think William was parentified for a really young age.

The relationship between Charles and Diana was poor so William was expected to "take care" of Harry especially when they both were sent to boarding school aged 8. I cannot imagine what boarding school was like for William as he had to endure Tampongate when he was 11 and the Bashir interview when he was 13.

Diana used to use William as a confidante for her emotional turmoil (remember the reports of him pushing tissues under the bathroom door) and Charles seemed a bit like a distant grandparent/uncle. However this is Charles' failing and I think he lacks the emotional bandwidth to deal with Harry - probably because he had a strange childhood

I think things only got worse for William when Diana died and it seemed like it was convenient for William to deal with Harry and make him William's personal +1. In Spare it seems that Harry almost felt Kate was a wicked stepmother when William wanted to spend time with her. Even today the press seem to think that William should be responsible for Harry.

I'm interested to know what you mean by William "doing duties"? - he has carried out public duties since his teens, served in the military and done internships. The normal stuff for a royal

The problem was Harry - he was meant to have a longer army career I think but he flounced (see a pattern here) when the next career step was a desk job. So they hastily teamed him with W&C

Sentebale has changed its accounting date from 31 August to 31 December according to Companies House, it doesn’t appear to have notified the Charity Commission who are still expecting accounts on 30 April. This means no accounts in the public domain until 31 August. This is an absolute classic tactic for a company in trouble either at risk of insolvency or because there are audit concerns and the accounts will be late. I’m getting in the popcorn for an extended corporate performance.

I think I tend to agree.

He never became a full time working royal until his 30s. Way too late for man that will one day become King.

A few engagements a year as a young man, on reflection clearly wasn’t enough.

My DH is currently watching one of the many iterations of Michael Portillos railway journeys. As a lifelong Left winger he was well up the list of public enemies we had in the 80s/90s. He's turned it round in spectacular style and I wish him very well, because I can bring myself to believe this reinvention perhaps more truly reflects the "real" him. His Stoicism and lack of self pity when he lost his seat in 1997 started it.

Then we have Harry, mired in victimhood and hurt feelings and scandal, his once glowing public image destroyed by his own hand. A lot more Stoicism and lack of self pity would be a start, an ability to admit that you've screwed up another. I'm increasingly less able to believe that he is capable of any of this and it is only going to get worse.

There are photos on twitter that are believed to be Harry and Alex, I won't post them in case they are not him. There is a strong resemblance. But a reminder of Prince Harry in his youth and his thing for his and others nipples. He too could have done with more official engagements at a younger age.

As far as I can work out Sentebale does not organise the polo matches itself nor does it seem to have a fundraising contract with the polo organisers. Hence it has likely been entirely reliant on the good will of the organisers and on PH’s ability to draw in sponsors and donors. Understandably the precarious fundraising situation needed to be addressed. Surely bringing on other more reliable funding streams alongside the polo until they were well established was the best way forward. Spending $500,000 on consultancy (as reported) for a new apparently unsuccessful strategy whilst alienating all those responsible for the old one is quite an extraordinary move. I’m assuming that in future the polo matches will not go ahead or another charity will benefit. So let’s see what the income level has been and if the consultancy costs meant less was spent on the charitable activity. Can’t wait for that.

Harry seems to get a lifelong reprieve for his mother's death yet William is expected to get on with being a working royal in his teens?

William's role in his 20s seems little different to his father's. Both did degrees, KC served in the military for 7 years, both did part time charity work. The only difference seems to be that William did an actual job with the air-ambulance and an additional degree.

But obviously their roles were very different as Charles was heir and William was not.

They seem to have a compulsive need to always be "right" and to have the last word, so they won't stop but only dig an even bigger hole for themselves.

I think one of the best ways to judge whether William’s approach has been right is in the end result in him as heir and monarch - and in how well he’s managed to parent his three children within this bizarre system.

The latter we won’t really know for a while but the former I think he’s made choices which have created a rounded capable individual who is able to do well the ceremonial and constitutional duties, the diplomatic role and the public outreach. It’s really not an easy skill set to acquire.

It’s clear that Harry didn’t get a home life or education that promoted resilience and empathy. And didn’t manage to find a path he could feel comfortable and fulfilled in.

Fingers crossed for Charlotte and Louis.

I think the problem is that Harry's exit from the RF lost him a lot of support in UK polo circles. Harry's heavy handed tactics in demanding £1 million per match lost them long term sponsors like Aldi. Moving the polo to Singapore lost them a lot of income. Then the tacky polo reality show Harry filmed in Florida cost the charity money and no doubt upset many of the uber wealthy US polo set. So they had dwindling income at a time when costs are increasing.

It seemed like there was a strategy to chase sponsors and donors in the US and Africa but the turmoil of Trump in the US and global uncertainty means that not all investments pay off.

I’m still failing to see any actual actions that led Dr C to report to Charity Commission. Not modernising v modernising is a management issue. Both parties believe they are working in the best interests of the charity and the CC will not be assessing that. They will be checking if financial expenditure is in accordance with the charity’s legal objectives and has done through an appropriate authorisation process. The fall out between PH and Dr C is not a CC matter either as PH is not a Trustee and whilst very unpleasant is not a legal matter either. The media argument will either just die down when we all get bored of it or one or other of them will take legal action against the other. Let’s see what happens next.

They seem to be compulsive "right fighters" as Dr Phil used to say. They seem pathologically unable to sit on their hands and say nothing or release a bland "We are saddened that xyz has occurred".

They have to clap back ... every time

Yes these were the issues with the polo but the upshot of the current situation is no polo fundraisers at all in future so no need to worry about how well they will be organised in future. It’s easy to blame Harry or Trump for the fundraising failure but it is the Chair’s responsibility for taking a new and unsuccessful direction.

I don't think anyone knew what to do with Harry when he was young. Remember he has told us he was often drunk or stoned. Pity the poor grey suit trying to get him to turn up to an event on time looking respectable and engaged. Hence the 'pet' charity.
I'm still reeling from that awful DM article. Can't believe it was printed.

I'm not remotely surprised that people haven't seen "actual actions" - why would they? The charity will have made a confidential report to the CC, and it would be totally inappropriate for them to comment further. The statements so far have only been in response to PH making it public.

It's likely that the matter would have stayed confidential had PH not decided to make a statement, which prompted SC to speak out to defend herself.

One of the allegations seems to be that Harry was trying to act like a trustee without authority - trying to put someone on the board without proper procedures, hijacking the polo fundraiser for commercial gain etc

I’m assuming that in future the polo matches will not go ahead

It's a cruel, vile 'sport' and Harold, Pa and Willy have been utterly complicit in it.

I hope this debacle hastens it's demise.