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CorrectionCentre · 01/04/2025 22:09

vera99 · 01/04/2025 21:58

Apologies if this has already been posted but I am minded to trust the BBC over any tabloid and whilst they are careful to preface any assertions with "according to" it certainly doesn't appear to be a slam dunk case against the hapless couple.

And I was unsighted that Harry had donated £1.3 million from Spare to the charity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy0l99w12mo

But this tells us nothing.
We know the relationship between the chair and trustees broke down .

Decisions were still board decisions. Not SC decisions. As I asked earlier How could a chair make unilateral decisions?

smilesy · 01/04/2025 22:09

toebeancat · 01/04/2025 22:07

How else is he meant to respond? He can't win either way. Outright discussion - torn to shreds, through a friend - torn to shreds. Complete silence? Torn to shreds.

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What do you think about H’s “friend” wanting it to be known that there was a more important WOC at the polo match than Sophie C?

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 01/04/2025 22:10

toebeancat · 01/04/2025 22:03

This. More balanced coverage is required. Tabloids are awful.

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Apart from when Harry allows and supports his friend talking to the Daily Mail to tell his side of the story. Damn Tabloids, they’re awful 😬🤪🤔

Uricon2 · 01/04/2025 22:10

toebeancat · 01/04/2025 22:07

How else is he meant to respond? He can't win either way. Outright discussion - torn to shreds, through a friend - torn to shreds. Complete silence? Torn to shreds.

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Do you have an opinion on why what he said "through a friend" (your words) might be torn to shreds? Have you actually read what Alex Rayner said?

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:10

Conundrumseverywhere · 01/04/2025 21:09

That’s very true. Plus Diana had always labelled Harry as ‘the troublemaker/thick one’ which was very unhelpful.

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TBH Charles should have never sent Harry to Eton given his limited intellectual abilities. Another school would have been a better option and given Harry the opportunity to grow up without relying on William to take care of him.

Not2identifying · 01/04/2025 22:11

toebeancat · 01/04/2025 22:07

How else is he meant to respond? He can't win either way. Outright discussion - torn to shreds, through a friend - torn to shreds. Complete silence? Torn to shreds.

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First of all, he doesn't necessarily need to respond. Sophie has responded to him because 'he started it' (to use the common playground refrain) by making an announcement in the press that the trustees were resigning and he was also going to resign in solidarity (and, therefore, against the chair).

But if he does want to respond, he could take a leaf out of Sophie's book and he could do a short interview where he allows them to really challenge his account and ask tough questions.

smilesy · 01/04/2025 22:11

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:10

TBH Charles should have never sent Harry to Eton given his limited intellectual abilities. Another school would have been a better option and given Harry the opportunity to grow up without relying on William to take care of him.

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True, but wasn’t it Diana who wanted the boys near to her when they were at school?

eta so Harry would probably have gone there anyway, I mean

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:13

vera99 · 01/04/2025 21:19

Baroness Chalker the trustee that made the claim in my previous post - a woman of irreproachable integrity unless others have evidence to the contrary. In a she said she said tussle I know whose side I would be on. She will not have made those comments lightly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Chalker

Chalker was granted a life peerage as Baroness Chalker of Wallasey, of Leigh-on-Sea in the County of Essex in 1992,[3] after losing her seat at the general election of that year.

Chalker is the founder and president of Africa Matters Limited, an independent consultancy providing advice and assistance to companies initiating, developing or growing their activities in Africa.[4] She is a member of the international advisory board of Lafarge and sits on the board of trustees of the Investment Climate Facility for Africa.[citation needed]

She is a consultant for Uganda's Presidential Investors Roundtable (PIRT) that advises the president Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, on ways to improve Uganda's investment climate and competitiveness.[5]

Chalker is a member of the board of trustees of Sentebale, a charity set up to reach Lesotho's poorest children, many of whom are victims of extreme poverty and the HIV/AIDS epidemic. She founded the Chalker Foundation, which seeks to support the improvement of healthcare in Africa.

She held the position of non-executive director and chairman of the Corporate Responsibility and Reputation Committee for Unilever, retiring in May 2007, having served three terms of three years. She joined the board of Unilever as an advisory director in 1998, becoming a non-executive director in 2004.[citation needed]

Chalker is a former chairman of the Medicines for Malaria Venture, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated to reducing the burden of malaria in disease endemic countries. She is a former non-executive director of Group Five (Pty). She was awarded the Livingstone Medal by the Royal Scottish Geographical Society in 2000.[6]

In June 2014, Chalker was awarded honorary citizenship of Mozambique by President Armando Guebuza for services to that country.[7]

Chalker was shortlisted for the Grassroot Diplomat Initiative Award in 2015 for her work with Africa Matters, and she remains in the directory of the Grassroot Diplomat Who's Who publication.[8]

In 2018, it was announced that Chalker would take over from Nicholas Crane as president of the Royal Geographical Society

Did Baroness Chalker's Africa Matters business consultancy sell any services to Sentebale?

TheNeedyKhakiPanda · 01/04/2025 22:13

Harry doesn't hate the media that much does he when it comes to him doing the leaking and doing his bidding, hypocrites the pair of them.
I have always believed that it was them two that were doing the briefing, so that they could then blame it on The Royal Family.

vera99 · 01/04/2025 22:15

myrtleWilson · 01/04/2025 21:53

@vera99 have you held a trustee or non exec position? Or have you been an exec with non exec/trustee structure. I am currently both of these and length of service is absolutely a fundamental element of good governance. If you've held either of those positions without understanding this fundamental underpinning, I'd be concerned about the organisations you're associated with.

I am a trustee of a small UK charity and have been on the board for six months. I have recently obtained a debit card and become a signatory for our new business account and am currently working with the funding consultancy Craigmyle to explore how we can access funding streams such as the National Lottery Heritage Fund.

I won’t pretend to know much yet, but I am learning on the fly, so to speak. I am acutely aware of the need to ensure that our funding and donations are spent wisely and in line with our charity’s core objectives. If I ever felt that this was compromised in any way, I would resign in a heartbeat—but not without a fight and some frank speaking.

Bruisername · 01/04/2025 22:15

I don’t understand how she is being blamed for all of the expenditure when the CEO only left in December

and if she was responsible - what terrible governance they have to allow this to happen

vanity charities can be great when the founders recognise their limitations and maximise what they can out of the charity the problem is when the charity gets bigger than they can cope with or it faces challenges (e.g. covid) or change in the landscape (e.g. AIDS no longer being the issue it was). At that point a bad founder will try to keep the status quo because it worked in the past but a good founder will recognise they need someone to step in and help

it’s the same with inventors - setting up the company and developing the product can be great but every day running of the company can be hard for someone without that skill set

in Harry’s case I think he’s been distracted from the charity and it’s ended up a bit of a car crash. Hopefully it can be turned around.

MummyJ12 · 01/04/2025 22:18

toebeancat · 01/04/2025 22:07

How else is he meant to respond? He can't win either way. Outright discussion - torn to shreds, through a friend - torn to shreds. Complete silence? Torn to shreds.

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There are posters who are much more accomplished and qualified than me to answer this post. However, me just being your usual would put out a statement along the lines of:
”I am so sorry to hear of Sophie’s experience. It’s important that she is heard and believed, and I am sorry if I have not made myself available to resolve this situation appropriately and sooner. We all have the same vision and purpose and I will work with my team to make this charity reach its potential and work better for everyone, especially our beneficiaries”.

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:20

AtIusvue · 01/04/2025 21:29

I agree, they thought they were doing right by them at the time. There was also the issue of the public, that wanted them protected at that time from the press. I remember the newspapers agreeing not to report on them while they were still kids. But it’s brought problems further down the road.

There seems to have been a sort of arrested royal development. Both William and Harry, not finding their path until their 30s (although Harry clearly still hasn’t found his way).

I don’t think it makes William any more rounded as a person. I’d argue that William seems to believe that we should be interested in his pet projects. I’m not. Don’t care about earthshot or anything else. With KC needing more support, I’m hoping William comes to realise that it’s the role that’s important, not him.

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It's really odd that you keep harking on about William "not finding his path" as he clearly loved being a helicopter rescue pilot - a job he did for about 8 years - but was forced to give it up when Prince Phillip retired. I'm sure if he had been allowed to choose he would still be doing it today.

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 01/04/2025 22:21

MummyJ12 · 01/04/2025 22:18

There are posters who are much more accomplished and qualified than me to answer this post. However, me just being your usual would put out a statement along the lines of:
”I am so sorry to hear of Sophie’s experience. It’s important that she is heard and believed, and I am sorry if I have not made myself available to resolve this situation appropriately and sooner. We all have the same vision and purpose and I will work with my team to make this charity reach its potential and work better for everyone, especially our beneficiaries”.

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That would be the perfect response. They should hire you, can’t be any worse than their current PR officer.

Profhilodisaster · 01/04/2025 22:21

bluegreygreen · 01/04/2025 21:41

Yes, I found that post very interesting and unfortunately can't remember who it was who posted. It would be great if they could post again.

If I remember correctly the gist was that there are different groups of donors: wealthy individuals (such as polo players) who will gain a certain amount (kudos, social credit) from donation, and others such as organisations/trusts/foundations who will ask about outcome measures for their donations. The difficulty when trying to move from the first to the second group is that the second group want to see others like them already there.

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Is this it ?

There are basically two types of charities set up by the RF/other wealthy people.
One is to be a tax efficient way of giving money. It's great if you get trustees who are experts in whatever field you are interested in, but basically you give to whatever charitable causes interest you and don't get any benefit back, so can please yourself. The CAF charity account is much the same for those of us with less to give.
The other is to address a specific issue - as done by DofE awards, Kings/Princes Trust. There you need expertise, the role of the Founder is to bring the right people together, and bring in the initial funding then gradually step back and let it become sustainable due to its record of achievement.
It seems that Harry has been seeing Sentebale as model one, but expecting the kudos of model two

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 01/04/2025 22:22

TheNeedyKhakiPanda · 01/04/2025 22:13

Harry doesn't hate the media that much does he when it comes to him doing the leaking and doing his bidding, hypocrites the pair of them.
I have always believed that it was them two that were doing the briefing, so that they could then blame it on The Royal Family.

Yup. Harry the dragon slayer…except for when he settled and didn’t hold anyone to account, he chose money and the quick last minute option!

myrtleWilson · 01/04/2025 22:23

vera99 · 01/04/2025 22:15

I am a trustee of a small UK charity and have been on the board for six months. I have recently obtained a debit card and become a signatory for our new business account and am currently working with the funding consultancy Craigmyle to explore how we can access funding streams such as the National Lottery Heritage Fund.

I won’t pretend to know much yet, but I am learning on the fly, so to speak. I am acutely aware of the need to ensure that our funding and donations are spent wisely and in line with our charity’s core objectives. If I ever felt that this was compromised in any way, I would resign in a heartbeat—but not without a fight and some frank speaking.

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And what is your term of office?

vera99 · 01/04/2025 22:23

CorrectionCentre · 01/04/2025 22:09

But this tells us nothing.
We know the relationship between the chair and trustees broke down .

Decisions were still board decisions. Not SC decisions. As I asked earlier How could a chair make unilateral decisions?

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Well, if most of the board is united against the chair, that tells us a lot—unless we want to go down a rabbit hole of decolonization and misogynoir narratives. And if we do, then that brush needs to be applied equally to the BRF, not just to H&M.

AtIusvue · 01/04/2025 22:26

ViolasandViolets · 01/04/2025 22:05

They tried to vote SC off, SC got an injunction not against them removing her, according to am earlier post, but against them having more meetings for six weeks. This would have the effect of preventing them removing her but it would also prevent the rest of the board from taking other actions. They could have just been so dismayed by this that they resigned, or alternatively this could have tied them to something, due to joint responsibility of the board, that they could not in all conscience support so the only action left to not be part of it would be to resign.

So, so dismayed at not being able to perform duties for 6 weeks, they decided to leave completely?

That makes zero sense.

AtIusvue · 01/04/2025 22:27

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:20

It's really odd that you keep harking on about William "not finding his path" as he clearly loved being a helicopter rescue pilot - a job he did for about 8 years - but was forced to give it up when Prince Phillip retired. I'm sure if he had been allowed to choose he would still be doing it today.

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Harking on? excuse me?

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:28

vera99 · 01/04/2025 21:58

Apologies if this has already been posted but I am minded to trust the BBC over any tabloid and whilst they are careful to preface any assertions with "according to" it certainly doesn't appear to be a slam dunk case against the hapless couple.

And I was unsighted that Harry had donated £1.3 million from Spare to the charity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy0l99w12mo

Yes Harry donated $1,5 million from his (alleged) $20 million advance for Spare in 2022.

vera99 · 01/04/2025 22:28

myrtleWilson · 01/04/2025 22:23

And what is your term of office?

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One of my tasks to do is to rewrite the governance document to allow virtual meetings but as of the moment we don't have anything that mentions that - we probably should. Our turnover is 160k so we are small beer in the scheme of things. A cursory view of Senetable doesn't suggest there is a term limit.

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/4022923/charity-overview

Search the register of charities - prd-ds-register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk

Charity details for SENTEBALE - Charity 1113544

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/4022923/charity-overview

RandyRedHumpback · 01/04/2025 22:28

toebeancat · 01/04/2025 22:07

How else is he meant to respond? He can't win either way. Outright discussion - torn to shreds, through a friend - torn to shreds. Complete silence? Torn to shreds.

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So you accept that he instructed his friend to tell the DM that Dr C was jealous of Meghan being a more important woman of colour, thus reducing them both to their race. Do you think he shouldn't have been torn to shreds for this racist narrative?

Lunde · 01/04/2025 22:31

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 01/04/2025 22:10

Apart from when Harry allows and supports his friend talking to the Daily Mail to tell his side of the story. Damn Tabloids, they’re awful 😬🤪🤔

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Yeah H&M always have "friends" who are happy to chat to the tabloids ...

AtIusvue · 01/04/2025 22:33

Also, stop quoting posters and then accuse them of harking on. That’s odd behaviour.