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Serenster · 29/03/2025 18:53

Words · 29/03/2025 16:54

Just seen someone suggest that maybe SC leaked the initial story to the Times. That hadn't occurred to me, stupidly, but it certainly explains why the Sussex side were a bit behind the story.

Neither side are covering themselves with glory, frankly. I think it could have been dealt with very differently and I sense there is far more to this than meets the eye on both sides.

As noted at the end of the last thread in the FT article she rows back from implicating the princes in the racism etc allegations. I think that is highly significant.

The sad thing is it's the intended recipients who are likely to suffer. I doubt many serious donors would be willing to give to this charity until this whole mess on stilts is resolved. By which time the charity may well be done for.

For good or ill, SC has detonated a bomb under it by going public in this particular way.

Welcome your views @GiveMeSpanakopita 🙂

Not GiveMeSpanokopita, but no leak from anyone was necessary for this story to get out.

The court’s file is considered to be a public document (not the family courts, though) and the court openly lists what claims have been filed in its various offices each day. Anyone can check it. The newspapers pay a journalist to check it every day to see if there’s anything juicy posted, and then if its something they want to cover they will make their own enquiries.

So some time after the claim was filed on 5 March it would have been listed on the court’s website (it’s not done in real time, it normally takes a few days to appear). The Times would have seen it, and seeing the defendant was Sentabale, and this might involve Prince Harry, would have contacted both parties for a statement. Doubtless sent someone down to search the court’s file for this case too, to see if they could see anything!

Rhaidimiddim · 29/03/2025 18:54

Vespanest · 29/03/2025 18:02

It always goes quieter on mumsnet when the fires need to be put out on social media for Harry and Meghan. Right now on the claims of Sussex brand being toxic the fans are basically "hold my beer you haven't seen toxic yet", of course it's Williams fault, closely followed by the British racist media and finally Sophie who is being called a race traitor or similar.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the SS script is, when they return here to put us haters right.

PullTheBricksDown · 29/03/2025 18:57

The trustees seem a very mixed bunch. Prince Seeiso - obvious what he brings and his expertise. Mark Dyer? Other than spending time in Lesotho when Harry was there, what would he offer as a trustee? That feels like a 'bringing a mate on board' manoeuvre.

Baital · 29/03/2025 18:59

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2025 17:12

A charity chairperson (or NED chairperson of a board) would normally be on a pro-rata salary or 'allowance', plus reasonable expenses.

These should be public, i.e. transparent, agree by the board, and published in a timely fashion.

No-one should be doing it for nothing except for titled, privileged and honorary and founding patrons.

Final point: was Sophie Chandauka put in the position, after the resignation of the Sentebale CEO and many others, of being effectively a chairperson doing the job and workload of a CEO, to her own detriment?

Not usually - trustees can be reimbursed for out of pocket expenses, but can't be paid for being a trustee. The Chair of the Board in a charity would usually be a trustee.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 29/03/2025 18:59

Chuchoter · 29/03/2025 18:17

Markle was pushing for donations made to Sentebale to go through their Archewell foundation so that the pair of them could rake in $500,000 as an appearance fee and then donate the rest to Sentebale. Once Markle got her claws involved it was always going to be about money laundering.

This is what I’ve read as well, if this is true I hope Dr Sophie shouts it from the rooftops, grifters? more like thieves if this proves to be fact.

MayaKovskaya · 29/03/2025 19:00

Rhaidimiddim · 29/03/2025 18:54

I'm looking forward to seeing what the SS script is, when they return here to put us haters right.

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Oh yes. What are the usual words? Hate, obsessive, just getting information from snippets. It's always the same.

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Words · 29/03/2025 19:01

@Serenster yes I realised that after reposting it. ( slinks away in mortification)

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MissRoseDurward · 29/03/2025 19:11

Markle was pushing for donations made to Sentebale to go through their Archewell foundation

And like Invictus, Sentebale is sod-all to do with her, so why should she have any say in where the donations go?

It all looks very murky and you wouldn't be inclined to donate, would you? Most potential donors have their own/their corporate reputations to think of.

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2025 19:11

MayaKovskaya · 29/03/2025 19:00

😂😂
Oh yes. What are the usual words? Hate, obsessive, just getting information from snippets. It's always the same.

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Haters / hating on
Racist
Jealous
Why do you care?
Salty island
Forelock tuggers / bowing and scraping
At least they don't parade their children for the cameras / in public
Sad and lonely / mental
Can't afford nice things like H&M
She's not doing any harm
Just live and let live
Who cares?
Have you thought about getting a hobby?
Beans on toast
Daily Fail

I could go on, but I'm boring myself now.

MayaKovskaya · 29/03/2025 19:12

We should have a bingo card, @TheAutumnCrow ! 😂

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Words · 29/03/2025 19:13

@Serenster yes am very aware of that, though my experience is on the criminal side, mainly Crown Court.

Certainly the journos would have clocked the name of the charity on the court listing and turned up to the hearing. But the hearing never happened as the meeting was cancelled and the resignations occurred. So no need for an injunction.

So am not sure how the detailed, explosive allegations would have been made public at such an early stage.

But I will stand corrected! That is the joy of this series of fascinating threads.

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TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2025 19:13

MissRoseDurward · 29/03/2025 19:11

Markle was pushing for donations made to Sentebale to go through their Archewell foundation

And like Invictus, Sentebale is sod-all to do with her, so why should she have any say in where the donations go?

It all looks very murky and you wouldn't be inclined to donate, would you? Most potential donors have their own/their corporate reputations to think of.

I would why the potential Google donors pulled back? If even Google smell a rodent ...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/03/2025 19:13

Can I ask where this has come from, @Chuchoter?
Edited to add sorry, I posted without the quote but meant the bit about Meghan asking for Sentebale funds to be channelled through Archewell

And thanks for the extra information. @Words

BigWillyLittleTodger · 29/03/2025 19:15

Rhaidimiddim · 29/03/2025 18:54

I'm looking forward to seeing what the SS script is, when they return here to put us haters right.

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Oh they are here! 😂 they’ve had my post deleted! I thought it was very mild considering the onslaught of name calling and abuse regulars have had endure over 40 pages on another thread.

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Words · 29/03/2025 19:16

Actually the very fact there was no hearing probably led to the issuing of statements on request . Normally no one would comment in that level of detail if proceedings were ongoing for obvious reasons.

I am being very dull today

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Rhaidimiddim · 29/03/2025 19:18

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2025 19:11

Haters / hating on
Racist
Jealous
Why do you care?
Salty island
Forelock tuggers / bowing and scraping
At least they don't parade their children for the cameras / in public
Sad and lonely / mental
Can't afford nice things like H&M
She's not doing any harm
Just live and let live
Who cares?
Have you thought about getting a hobby?
Beans on toast
Daily Fail

I could go on, but I'm boring myself now.

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The DM!? You believe the DM?!

BigWillyLittleTodger · 29/03/2025 19:18

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2025 19:11

Haters / hating on
Racist
Jealous
Why do you care?
Salty island
Forelock tuggers / bowing and scraping
At least they don't parade their children for the cameras / in public
Sad and lonely / mental
Can't afford nice things like H&M
She's not doing any harm
Just live and let live
Who cares?
Have you thought about getting a hobby?
Beans on toast
Daily Fail

I could go on, but I'm boring myself now.

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Yet those posts are allowed to stand or maybe we are just made of sterner stuff and don’t feel the need to hit the report button, mind you can you imagine how many reports there would be if we did? 😱

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2025 19:20

BigWillyLittleTodger · 29/03/2025 19:15

Oh they are here! 😂 they’ve had my post deleted! I thought it was very mild considering the onslaught of name calling and abuse regulars have had endure over 40 pages on another thread.

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I can't even recall what you said!

Do you want to re-phrase, add 'allegedly', and re-post? I don't like the idea of a valid point being removed or censored.

glitterturd · 29/03/2025 19:21

AtIusvue · 29/03/2025 14:23

Telegraph:

The Telegraph understands this devastating breakdown in trust was fuelled by an awkward moment captured on camera last April, during an annual Sentebale charity polo match in Miami, when the Duke captained the winning team.
As the players and their partners gathered on the podium for a post-match photograph, Meghan appeared to instruct Ms Chandauka to move away from Harry as he celebrated his win.
The Duchess was filmed asking the Zimbabwe-born lawyer, who stood on Harry’s right, to move to her left side away from her husband, as he kept his arm tightly around the Duchess, forcing her to duck under the trophy to switch position.

The awkward moment on the polo podium was captured on video
The brief encounter generated huge publicity and behind the scenes, the Sussexes were said to be furious.
One well-placed source said this moment was the catalyst for the falling-out with Ms Chandauka.
“Ultimately, it comes down to that polo match and the awkward moment with Megan moving her out the way,” the source said.
“Harry then demanded that she make a statement to the press, basically saying ‘Megan wasn’t mean to me’, and she refused to do that.”
The source alleged that the Duke “behaved inappropriately in asking her to talk to the press” and later joined with the trustees in seeking to remove her.

“Ever since that point, they’ve tried their best to move her out, using the trustees in order to undermine her, demean her and try and force her hand,” the source said.

This is so damning! It sounds like he decided to be awkward and difficult, because Meg didn’t get positive press.

Harry is a lost cause.

Well this is out there now and reinforces what has been seen time and time again with Meghan and her inappropriate and pushy behaviour. Reminds me of the way Meghan also behaved in Colombia with Francia Marquez's husband. Awkward! 😬 They are all pieces of an embarrassing jigsaw.

Conundrumseverywhere · 29/03/2025 19:23

Thedom · 29/03/2025 14:18

This is just something else and it is so believable.

Harry then demanded that she make a statement to the press, basically saying ‘Megan wasn’t mean to me’, and she refused to do that.”

The source alleged that the Duke “behaved inappropriately in asking her to talk to the press” and later joined with the trustees in seeking to remove her.

“Ever since that point, they’ve tried their best to move her out, using the trustees in order to undermine her, demean her and try and force her hand,” the source said.

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I wonder if the lady in a wheelchair at Invictus whom Meghan supposedly moved out of the way has had the same pressure put on her to speak out in defence of Meghan .

Lunde · 29/03/2025 19:24

PullTheBricksDown · 29/03/2025 18:57

The trustees seem a very mixed bunch. Prince Seeiso - obvious what he brings and his expertise. Mark Dyer? Other than spending time in Lesotho when Harry was there, what would he offer as a trustee? That feels like a 'bringing a mate on board' manoeuvre.

There have been a lot of interesting board members over the years

Prince Seeiso's cousin - Kelello Lerotholi
A couple of former Clarence House aides Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton and Geoffrey Mathews
Lynda Chalker - former Overseas Development Minister who coincidently was selling consultancy services on how to do business in Africa when she was invited onto the board
Dame Nicola Brewer - former High Commissioner of South Africa, Lesotho and Swaziland
Philip Neville Green who is best known for the Carillion Scandal when it took lots of money for public buildings and collapsed without building them - described by a Parliamentary committee investigation as "a story of recklessness, hubris and greed, its business model was a relentless dash for cash"

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Words · 29/03/2025 19:25

Another for the bingo card

Tell me you know nothing about critical race theory without telling me you know nothing about critical race theory.

And this was after the same poster had made some extremely dubious ( if you are in thé mood to be offended which I am not as it is exhausting, but at least be consistent) comments about ginger gènes.

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Serenster · 29/03/2025 19:26

Words · 29/03/2025 19:16

Actually the very fact there was no hearing probably led to the issuing of statements on request . Normally no one would comment in that level of detail if proceedings were ongoing for obvious reasons.

I am being very dull today

Injunctions are decided as interlocutory applications, and they are held in private, not in open court. So the journalists wouldn’t have been able to attend an injunction hearing (if there was one). So they would have reached out to Sentabale, SC and Prince Harry’s office I am sure asking for statements.

The big news obviously was Harry and Seeiso’s statement that they were resigning as patrons.

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:27

Words · 29/03/2025 19:25

Another for the bingo card

Tell me you know nothing about critical race theory without telling me you know nothing about critical race theory.

And this was after the same poster had made some extremely dubious ( if you are in thé mood to be offended which I am not as it is exhausting, but at least be consistent) comments about ginger gènes.

being ignorant of CRT can only improve ones life tbf

glitterturd · 29/03/2025 19:27

Move over there ...