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Sentebale #2

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Words · 29/03/2025 12:59

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IAmATorturedPoet · 30/03/2025 20:26

Who knew you could get deleted for calling out offensive words and phrases 🤷‍♀️.
Anyway, we move. 😊

Let’s hope this is just the start and we get some proper investigative journalism happening and the shady duo are called to account, not before time.

RandyRedHumpback · 30/03/2025 20:28

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:14

Not really clear.

Harry has burned his bridges with the UK polo set. I know someone adjacent to that community.

They tried taking it international in 2023 when they held the event in Singapore. It will be interesting to see what the numbers for 2024 in Florida when the accounts come out next month - especially with all they issues they had with Harry losing them the donated venue.

It's hard to know what the long term impact will be especially with Harry using the 2024 event to film a reality show. Many of the uber rich who play polo would not want to be associated with that sort of circus even if they have supported Harry in the past.

That's a good point about the Polo reality show. It resulted in a lot of derision on those players and their wives who took part, and made them look dim and tacky. And Harry didn't put himself up for show, clearly above it all, the hypocrite. I imagine your average, eye-wateringly wealthy polo player will want none of it, they don't need the publicity or want the association with the Netflix show.

I also wonder how many people turned up to sponsor the event in the pre-"freedom flight" days because they came to look at and be associated with William (and maybe Catherine) - not Harry.

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:29

Thedom · 30/03/2025 20:02

I cannot believe “people try to get organised for a photo” was actually considered newsworthy!

It blew up on social media with people asking why Meghan was giving out a Sentebale polo award and calling out her rudeness in making Sophie move to ensure Meghan was center of the photo.

I don't know if it ever made mainstream media.

Sophie now disclosing that Harry demanded she put out a statement in an effort to take the heat of Meghan was so unprofessional on his part and actually would have been futile, Sophie made a wise decision not to comply and that was the turning point in her relationship with Harry going sour.

I think it went viral because of Meghan adamantly refusing to move over to allow SC as Senetable Chair to stand next to Harry - especially now in light of the fact that she wasn't even supposed to be there.

I also think it went viral because it was the 2nd video of Meghan pushing her way front and centre at a polo match which wasn't about her. There was a viral video of an event in LA in 2022 where she refuses to stand to one side to allow the team to lift the trophy and first tries to take the prize from a player (who refuses to let go) and awkwardly pushes a couple of players aside to get through the middle make sure she is front and centre,

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 30/03/2025 20:30

BemusedAmerican · 30/03/2025 14:50

I just watched the interview. Thanks for the link from @AtIusvue and @RandyRedHumpback .

I thought Trevor Phillips was very tough with his questions and SC responded well. I'm hoping that this gets the actions of the Sussex Squad out to the general public.

Iain Rawlinson has a great financial background and experience with charities. To me, he came across as calm and well- informed.

https://www.themarque.com/profile/iain-rawlinson

Here in the US, we have the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth". I think that is Harry's problem. I'm wondering how happy the new PR person is right now.

It's 'verbal diarrhoea' in the UK @BemusedAmerican 😀

Rhaidimiddim · 30/03/2025 20:32

Hoo - Washington Post are historically sympathetic to H&M, but not so much in that article.

BasiliskStare · 30/03/2025 20:32

That Daily Beast article must have hit home.

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:33

Why are other charities with PH as a patron seem to be doing ok( Invictus in primis), and then suddenly we are having this narrative that PH is apparently "toxic" for Santable?

There is nothing wrong with seeking other patrons/ investors, but the way the whole thing is being handled is just bizarre to me.
Does she really think that gossiping about the high profile founder of the charity and his spouse will endear her to the Bloombergs of the world when it comes to fundraising? Again I am really struggling to understand the endgame.

It would interesting to hear a more detailed account from Prince Lesotho and the other board members.

CathyorClaire · 30/03/2025 20:35

Well Harry can't win here - would look terrible if he did appear and some people will think he is guilty if he does not.

Why would he look terrible for fighting his corner? Isn't that the natural response to an attack?

LemonLeaves · 30/03/2025 20:36

Profhilodisaster · 30/03/2025 19:50

This is so sad for the charity and I wonder how much it really meant to Harry. Sophie says she has documentation of the strategic advisor for fund raising saying she didn't want to attend any more board meetings due to the bullying treatment. The accusation of Harry briefing sponsors against Sophie and the charity in order to discredit her is shocking.

It's not unusual for long-running charities to go through a bit of a painful 'adapt or die' stage, particularly if the original founders are still involved.

Charities have to adapt to stay relevant, even if their core purpose remains unchanged. For example if you are running an animal welfare charity, your core purpose can remain largely unchanged but how you attract interest has to move with the times. A good example is RSPCA advertising on terrestrial TV channels which are increasingly not watched by a younger audience - but they need new donors and sponsors, so consequently they will have to re-think their long term advertising strategy.

However in Sentebale's case, it's been running for almost 20 years and during that time not only have their been medical advances in the treatment of HIV/AIDS, but also geopolitical changes which have affected corporate donors. Consequently lots of firms, especially in the US given the current focus on DOGE and 'anti-DEI', will be looking at where, what and how much they sponsor.

The change in focus to include a wider remit for Sentebale makes sense, but the legacy sponsorship through polo matches has been anachronistic for some time now; rich mostly white men, playing an elite and VERY expensive game, to generate charity donations - throw in some animal welfare concerns and from a reputation risk perspective it's a ticking time bomb.

But when your founder and main patron is still involved in the charity, they are more likely than not going to be resistant to someone coming along and telling them it's time to change direction. I've been involved with a charity that had this 'founder syndrome' and it was a lost cause, which was a real shame because the charity was otherwise doing great work but the founder refused to let go.

Thedom · 30/03/2025 20:36

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:29

I think it went viral because of Meghan adamantly refusing to move over to allow SC as Senetable Chair to stand next to Harry - especially now in light of the fact that she wasn't even supposed to be there.

I also think it went viral because it was the 2nd video of Meghan pushing her way front and centre at a polo match which wasn't about her. There was a viral video of an event in LA in 2022 where she refuses to stand to one side to allow the team to lift the trophy and first tries to take the prize from a player (who refuses to let go) and awkwardly pushes a couple of players aside to get through the middle make sure she is front and centre,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hnXiti2NSto

OMG, I have never seen that video of her in the massive hat, I can't stop laughing, she is so awkward and clueless in her efforts to make herself the center of attraction.

Thanks for that laugh.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 30/03/2025 20:37

Hwi · 30/03/2025 16:12

Yes, you are right, the word gigolo is outdated and it went out with the popularity of H.James, yet this fortune-hunting behaviour remains prevalent among social alpinists (including wisteria sisters - with only one prize slipping the hook) that married into the BRF. So what Prince Philip was intelligent - do you think there were no intelligent and SOLVENT royal princes in Europe for HM to marry? Her equals, I mean, not penniless refugees (like Prince Philip) who would never forgive her higher status and would forever punish her with affairs? As for the Italian gigolo - I don't even have the right word for him - what do you call a man who abandons his 'partner' and their young child and runs after a royal princess to better his status?

You are right, nobody owns a crystal ball and can predict the future, but surely one of the most basic rules is to marry your equal (intellectually, financially, socially, religiously) to avoid the inevitable thoughts of 'ah, she/he married up/down, for money/status/whatever'. Unequal alliances never end well, even if they are tolerated for decades - why do you think Prince Philip's will will be kept top secret for 100 years to protect the dignity of the Queen (official wording)?

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What a load of cobblers!

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:38

To be honest, I don't think that Harry should say anything.

If it is proven that the Board had valid and legitimate concerns over how the funds were managed, that will speak for itself and provide a clearer picture.

RandyRedHumpback · 30/03/2025 20:39

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:33

Why are other charities with PH as a patron seem to be doing ok( Invictus in primis), and then suddenly we are having this narrative that PH is apparently "toxic" for Santable?

There is nothing wrong with seeking other patrons/ investors, but the way the whole thing is being handled is just bizarre to me.
Does she really think that gossiping about the high profile founder of the charity and his spouse will endear her to the Bloombergs of the world when it comes to fundraising? Again I am really struggling to understand the endgame.

It would interesting to hear a more detailed account from Prince Lesotho and the other board members.

Edited

It's Sentebale and Prince Seeiso.

Once again, do you accept that the reason this is public at all is because Harry both resigned as patron without any obvious reason, and issued his resignation statement on Friday launching a grenade at SC? What was his endgame (interesting choice of word) in doing so?

edit for typo

AtIusvue · 30/03/2025 20:41

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:38

To be honest, I don't think that Harry should say anything.

If it is proven that the Board had valid and legitimate concerns over how the funds were managed, that will speak for itself and provide a clearer picture.

He doesn’t need to, you’ve been all over it.

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:42

As I have repeated ad nauseum, if it comes out that the funds were not being managed appropriately, I think the boards move of distancing themselves in every way possible( and yes, even by taking a very public stance) will prove to be a smart one.

Having an entire board stepping down is a clear red flag.

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:42

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:33

Why are other charities with PH as a patron seem to be doing ok( Invictus in primis), and then suddenly we are having this narrative that PH is apparently "toxic" for Santable?

There is nothing wrong with seeking other patrons/ investors, but the way the whole thing is being handled is just bizarre to me.
Does she really think that gossiping about the high profile founder of the charity and his spouse will endear her to the Bloombergs of the world when it comes to fundraising? Again I am really struggling to understand the endgame.

It would interesting to hear a more detailed account from Prince Lesotho and the other board members.

Edited

Which charities are you referring to?

There have been a lot of rumblings at Invictus with some countries pulling funding and high profile sackings of critical voices.

Africa Parks is mired in problems with accusations of rape against employees.

Archewell seems very murky - strangely few donors and no real transparency - and no explanation of why it only gets $4K in interest from £10-13 million in capital. Also set up as a Foundation in Delaware with notoriously lax rules. So the actual list of donors is not public and H&M are legally allowed to spend only 5% on charity and 95% in expenses.

I admit I haven't heard anything negative about Well Child.

MissRoseDurward · 30/03/2025 20:43

There was a viral video of an event in LA in 2022 where she refuses to stand to one side to allow the team to lift the trophy and first tries to take the prize from a player (who refuses to let go) and awkwardly pushes a couple of players aside to get through the middle make sure she is front and centre,

Good Lord! Imagine Catherine elbowing her way to the front as William is presenting the FA Cup!

The player on the left is so clearly thinking 'WTF is she doing here?' one can almost see the speech bubble over his head, cartoon style.

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:43

Again the result of the investigation will paint a clearer picture of the story, and I will repeat it again and again having an entire board resigning as a result of you not stepping down is a huge red flag and may also be for future investors.

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:47

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:38

To be honest, I don't think that Harry should say anything.

If it is proven that the Board had valid and legitimate concerns over how the funds were managed, that will speak for itself and provide a clearer picture.

So if the board's case was sound.

Why didn't the board report financial mismanagement to the CC? Are you saying that the board were happy to cover it up?

Why didn't the board defend the injunction? The could have won the right to sack her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/03/2025 20:50

Why are other charities with PH as a patron seem to be doing ok( Invictus in primis), and then suddenly we are having this narrative that PH is apparently "toxic" for Santable?

Ther are reported issues with Invictus too, @LipglossAlly, with key personnel leaving, sponsors withdrawing and questions over finances - and that's before we get to the more subjective areas like H&M repeatedly making themselves the main focus

Obviously that doesn't mean that every last problem is down to Harry's involvement, but all the same it's hard not to notice the common denominator

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:51

I will repeat it again, we do not have a full picture of what went down.

There were concerns that were raised, she refused to resign, they decided to leave. This is what we know so far.

Knowing whether these funds( and in what proportion) are going to children with HIV should take priority over who is taking a picture with who.

Knowing what prompted an ENTIRE board to resign and the concerns that were raised on her is of vital importance.

Unfortunately, many charities are not managed efficiently. What happens when we don't have an efficient fund management, is that the amount of money that is actually allocated to children with HIV ,in this particular case, is less than it should be( in an ideal world, one of the things to look out for when donating to a charity should be the efficiency with which the funds are managed, which I believe should be audited and made to be public).

Weepixie · 30/03/2025 20:52

OMG, I have never seen that video of her in the massive hat, I can't stop laughing, she is so awkward and clueless in her efforts to make herself the center of attraction.
Thanks for that laugh

My first time to see the video also and I don’t know what was funnier. Her antics or her Pretty Woman outfit. 🙈

LemonLeaves · 30/03/2025 20:52

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:42

As I have repeated ad nauseum, if it comes out that the funds were not being managed appropriately, I think the boards move of distancing themselves in every way possible( and yes, even by taking a very public stance) will prove to be a smart one.

Having an entire board stepping down is a clear red flag.

Edited

Yes it is a red flag - but you're assuming it can only mean one thing; that the new Chair is somehow suspect. You are choosing to ignore the fact that it's equally possible that the Chair is blameless and the rest of the board are suspect. This latter hypothesis has been repeatedly pointed out to you by many posters, me included.

Weepixie · 30/03/2025 20:53

Knowing whether these funds( and in what proportion) are going to children with HIV should take priority over who is taking a picture with who

Its such a pity Meghan didn’t have you there on the actual day of the picture to remind her.

And you’re correct, we don’t have the full picture but I think you need to prepare yourself for the reality that SC could come out of this smelling of Roses which is something you obviously don’t want to be the case despite trying to hide it.

RandyRedHumpback · 30/03/2025 20:55

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:51

I will repeat it again, we do not have a full picture of what went down.

There were concerns that were raised, she refused to resign, they decided to leave. This is what we know so far.

Knowing whether these funds( and in what proportion) are going to children with HIV should take priority over who is taking a picture with who.

Knowing what prompted an ENTIRE board to resign and the concerns that were raised on her is of vital importance.

Unfortunately, many charities are not managed efficiently. What happens when we don't have an efficient fund management, is that the amount of money that is actually allocated to children with HIV ,in this particular case, is less than it should be( in an ideal world, one of the things to look out for when donating to a charity should be the efficiency with which the funds are managed, which I believe should be audited and made to be public).

Edited

So if the picture issue is not a priority, why did Harry make it one? Why did he demand of this accomplished woman that she go on the record to defend Meghan Markle, someone unconnected with Sentebale and the fundraising event in question. That this is an issue is completely on Harry.

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