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Sentebale #2

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Words · 29/03/2025 12:59

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JHound · 30/03/2025 19:48

AtIusvue · 29/03/2025 14:23

Telegraph:

The Telegraph understands this devastating breakdown in trust was fuelled by an awkward moment captured on camera last April, during an annual Sentebale charity polo match in Miami, when the Duke captained the winning team.
As the players and their partners gathered on the podium for a post-match photograph, Meghan appeared to instruct Ms Chandauka to move away from Harry as he celebrated his win.
The Duchess was filmed asking the Zimbabwe-born lawyer, who stood on Harry’s right, to move to her left side away from her husband, as he kept his arm tightly around the Duchess, forcing her to duck under the trophy to switch position.

The awkward moment on the polo podium was captured on video
The brief encounter generated huge publicity and behind the scenes, the Sussexes were said to be furious.
One well-placed source said this moment was the catalyst for the falling-out with Ms Chandauka.
“Ultimately, it comes down to that polo match and the awkward moment with Megan moving her out the way,” the source said.
“Harry then demanded that she make a statement to the press, basically saying ‘Megan wasn’t mean to me’, and she refused to do that.”
The source alleged that the Duke “behaved inappropriately in asking her to talk to the press” and later joined with the trustees in seeking to remove her.

“Ever since that point, they’ve tried their best to move her out, using the trustees in order to undermine her, demean her and try and force her hand,” the source said.

This is so damning! It sounds like he decided to be awkward and difficult, because Meg didn’t get positive press.

Harry is a lost cause.

I cannot believe “people try to get organised for a photo” was actually considered newsworthy!

LemonLeaves · 30/03/2025 19:49

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for some of the sponsors' risk management meetings - and to have seen their reputation risk heatmaps for their involvement in these charities. I can imagine their arrow/bubble/number (insert symbol of choice) heading upwards and rightwards like heat seeking missiles....

Profhilodisaster · 30/03/2025 19:50

This is so sad for the charity and I wonder how much it really meant to Harry. Sophie says she has documentation of the strategic advisor for fund raising saying she didn't want to attend any more board meetings due to the bullying treatment. The accusation of Harry briefing sponsors against Sophie and the charity in order to discredit her is shocking.

Ohpleeeease · 30/03/2025 19:52

AtIusvue · 30/03/2025 19:44

Why should we wait on the results of the CC investigation?

This is a discussion thread. We don’t have to wait for an official report, to talk about statements/interviews given to media, by Harry and Sophie. That is up for public comment and that’s what we are discussing.

You are trying your very best to shut down the conversation because of how bad this reflects on Harry.

I’d also add that there might not be a report. The Charity Commission doesn’t routinely publish the findings of its regulatory work. So could be a long wait…

MissRoseDurward · 30/03/2025 19:58

One thing is clear is that the income from the big polo events was in decline £1.944 million in 2019, £1.612 in 2023 - a drop of about 18% at a time when costs were rising - they needed to do something.

Are they the same polo players turning up to these events year after year? Or are they attracting new, younger players? Polo is niche enough as it is; if people are only seeing the same, ageing, players time after time, they will lose interest. And when those players retire, that'll be it, unless they've got some exciting new young talent to display.

Thedom · 30/03/2025 20:02

I cannot believe “people try to get organised for a photo” was actually considered newsworthy!

It blew up on social media with people asking why Meghan was giving out a Sentebale polo award and calling out her rudeness in making Sophie move to ensure Meghan was center of the photo.

I don't know if it ever made mainstream media.

Sophie now disclosing that Harry demanded she put out a statement in an effort to take the heat of Meghan was so unprofessional on his part and actually would have been futile, Sophie made a wise decision not to comply and that was the turning point in her relationship with Harry going sour.

Mylovelygreendress · 30/03/2025 20:05

JHound · 30/03/2025 19:48

I cannot believe “people try to get organised for a photo” was actually considered newsworthy!

Under normal circumstances I would agree however it was in this case due to Meghan’s insistence that SC should not stand beside Harry .

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 20:05

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 19:35

The point I’m making is that obviously you’re a woman – but you are speaking to me as if you are a man who thinks all women apart from themselves are stupid. An alternative opinion to theirs is not allowed, and they have to define things you already comprehend. Pedantically naturally. A bit of self righteousness thrown in for good measure (MN style). It was a play on words, to try and get that meaning of course. I obviously failed and it went over your head. No worries.

Not over my head at all!!
you used the wrong word, simple , I was being helpful and pointing out !
just giving the benefit of the doubt!
just as I’m sure you didn’t know the meaning of a few shillings short, I’m assuming you chose that particular U.K. colloquialism because you thought it would make your posts seem more British yes?

RandyRedHumpback · 30/03/2025 20:07

IdaGlossop · 30/03/2025 19:15

We don't know if the trustees agreed to the consultancy expenditure. If they didn't, that would be financial mismanagement, as it should have had trustee approval, but the trustees would be showing they had made a poor chair appointment. No doubt the CC will be looking at this. They also seem to be suggesting the money has not been well spent as the work done has not resulted in new sources of funding.

I would be highly surprised if the consultancy wasn't agreed to be the board.

Whether it was well spent depends on the remit of the consultancy and the reason for the failure in new sources of funding. Eg, the consultancy may have come up with a model that did not reflect the charity's past methods of fundraising and may have presented them with an unrealistic model going forward, considering the capacity of key people involved; or it may have been trying to drag them into a more modern form of fundraising that effectively excluded all the old methods, such as polo. From what I understand, the point of the consultancy was to switch efforts to fundraise to the west coast of the US. Presumably because they were trying to tap into the liberal, socially conscious, Californian crowd Harry was now hanging out with, since the previous fundraising model was to tap into Harry's interests and connections within the UK/RF. That doesn't sound unreasonable on the face of it, not if the charity was to remain "Harry's" charity, and not for someone living their best life ever in California surrounded by A lister friends. As I posited in a previous post, maybe Harry's reality got found out.

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:07

Profhilodisaster · 30/03/2025 19:50

This is so sad for the charity and I wonder how much it really meant to Harry. Sophie says she has documentation of the strategic advisor for fund raising saying she didn't want to attend any more board meetings due to the bullying treatment. The accusation of Harry briefing sponsors against Sophie and the charity in order to discredit her is shocking.

It's really odd that Harry didn't go to Lesotho for 6 years and not at all with Meghan.

Rhaidimiddim · 30/03/2025 20:08

Lunde · 30/03/2025 18:43

Sorry are you on both sides of this argument as you seem to be arguing contradictory points compared to your post at 17.31🤔

I've made a later post clarifying that this post is a continuation of the list of Script points.

Rhaidimiddim · 30/03/2025 20:11

RandyRedHumpback · 30/03/2025 18:46

Angry! We are all angry women, apparently, on an angry thread!! Grrrrrrr!!!!!

Not shutting up and seeing how things turn out 🤐

Rhaidimiddim · 30/03/2025 20:12

flapjackfairy · 30/03/2025 18:47

where us your evidence she is" dodgy"

Oh, God, I've really messed up with that post.

MummyJ12 · 30/03/2025 20:14

JHound · 30/03/2025 19:48

I cannot believe “people try to get organised for a photo” was actually considered newsworthy!

I cannot believe that the Sussex PR machine put pressure on SC to release a statement about it, countering the narrative. Speaks volumes.

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:14

MissRoseDurward · 30/03/2025 19:58

One thing is clear is that the income from the big polo events was in decline £1.944 million in 2019, £1.612 in 2023 - a drop of about 18% at a time when costs were rising - they needed to do something.

Are they the same polo players turning up to these events year after year? Or are they attracting new, younger players? Polo is niche enough as it is; if people are only seeing the same, ageing, players time after time, they will lose interest. And when those players retire, that'll be it, unless they've got some exciting new young talent to display.

Not really clear.

Harry has burned his bridges with the UK polo set. I know someone adjacent to that community.

They tried taking it international in 2023 when they held the event in Singapore. It will be interesting to see what the numbers for 2024 in Florida when the accounts come out next month - especially with all they issues they had with Harry losing them the donated venue.

It's hard to know what the long term impact will be especially with Harry using the 2024 event to film a reality show. Many of the uber rich who play polo would not want to be associated with that sort of circus even if they have supported Harry in the past.

EsmaCannonball · 30/03/2025 20:15

As well as starting a non-profit foundation where 95% of donations can go towards 'running costs,' I wonder if there are people who claim tax relief on money they donate to their own charities but then claim that money back as expenses and running costs? A nefarious person could avoid tax and get their luxury travel, designer clothes and expensive hobbies paid for.

Rhaidimiddim · 30/03/2025 20:16

RandyRedHumpback · 30/03/2025 18:49

The mismanagement started with Harry flouncing out of his own charity and publicly slating her. Rather than staying put and dealing with whatever the problems are. Up until that point, there was nothing in the public discourse to say anything was wrong.

Another addition to the Script .
She was wrong to take this to the media, instead of dealing with it privately with the individuals involved.

(When it was the two princes who went to the media first.)

Profhilodisaster · 30/03/2025 20:16

Lunde · 30/03/2025 20:07

It's really odd that Harry didn't go to Lesotho for 6 years and not at all with Meghan.

Yes , very odd . If it was his 'baby' , founded in memory of his mother and meant so much to him you'd have thought he would have taken Meghan there, after all he took her to the Invictus Games .

MummyJ12 · 30/03/2025 20:17

Onlyonekenobe · 30/03/2025 19:25

Oh for goodness sake.

It’s been YEARS of Harry and Meghan showing the world with their words and actions exactly who they are, what they want, what motivates them, what they think of themselves, what they think of others. We also have countless third party accounts which, failing evidentiary proof of the standard required in courts of law 🙄 (courts, incidentally, which themselves have highlighted both Harry’s and Meghan’s lies), all mysteriously point the same way. Everything and everyone is showing us they’re mendacious, greedy, increasingly desperate, grandiose people with inflated egos and a tendency to bully their way through life (deliberately or through stupidity and sheer entitlement) with nary a consideration for friend, family, employees, the public - all in pursuit of nothing but money (H&M) and fame/adoration (Meghan).

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it’s a fucking duck!

Harry puts out a press release and people think it should be taken at face value as the gospel truth. Yet SC, with more education and experience and intelligence and nous and knowledge of the situation in Lesotho and in the daily workings of Sentebale than Harry and Meghan put together multiplied by 10, is required to prove herself through the courts and the CC?? What a load of shite. How do people contort themselves like this, for people who have shown time and again that they have no loyalty to anyone who doesn’t feed their egos or give them money? What warped thinking is this?

Exactly this! 👏🏼

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 30/03/2025 20:18

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 14:25

I’ve always thought their extensive use of ndas very telling @Thedom, afterall why the need if you haven’t got something to hide?
it’s not like they are dealing with secret government information that would harm a country!

I think NDAs are probably more common than we realise. My DD had a trial day with a couture designer recently and had to sign an NDA!

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:21

Again, why would the whole board( including the other founder, the Prince of Losotho) step down as a result of her not resigning?
The only time I've heard anything like this, was in the Teranos /Elisabeth Holmes case( and God knows if they were right with wanting her out).

I am not sure why the focus is not on these supposedly mismanaged funds and the reasons behind a whole board parting ways with the charity.

These are more important issues that who is posing in a photograph with who.

Why did Prince Lesotho decide to leave?
What prompted this decision exactly?And what happened with the other board members? Are these funds being managed efficiently or not?

Profhilodisaster · 30/03/2025 20:22

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 30/03/2025 20:18

I think NDAs are probably more common than we realise. My DD had a trial day with a couture designer recently and had to sign an NDA!

Yep , we get work experience students to sign a document saying they won't divulge any details of projects they may have been shown . Not sure it is classed as an NDA but similar.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/03/2025 20:23

I dread to think what will happen to him when the penny finally drops. that all his problems with other people stem from his wife's behaviour and demands

While agreeing that some of Meghan's behaviour can be an issue I have to differ about it being the cause of "all" Harry's problems @JudgeJ - though his own apparent obsession with her may well be
Admittedly it might not end well for him, but the man's got a tongue in his head and there's always the option of saying no

In the meantime, though hoping Sentebale can recover, I agree with @MrsLeonFarrell that Harry's actions will hardly attract more donors while the CC are considering this - and that suggests someone who isn't that bothered about the charity's interests if they clash with his own

smilesy · 30/03/2025 20:24

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 30/03/2025 20:18

I think NDAs are probably more common than we realise. My DD had a trial day with a couture designer recently and had to sign an NDA!

Well yes because she has probably been privy to what are essentially industrial secrets, so an NDA is appropriate. Not sure that is the case if the NDA is to prevent you from recounting stories about how badly you have been treated by an employer 🤷‍♀️

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