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Rhaidimiddim · 26/03/2025 22:12

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 18:49

that was an excellent discussion though as it prompted me to buy some MSG and it is amazing stuff.
I use it onloads now and it really makes a difference
( and proves I'm not racist by using it!😄)

Are you culturally appropriating?
Cross post.

Baital · 26/03/2025 22:29

EsmaCannonball · 26/03/2025 21:19

I'd like to know how much money Archewell has raised and where it has gone. I'd also like to know how much Invictus money goes on things like private jets, luxury hotels and designer clothes. As for Sentebale, are polo matches the most efficient and effective way to raise money for charity or are they a way to offset the costs of playing polo?

It is a very old fashioned and not very effective way to fundraise. Great for the egos of those involved, but very inefficient compared to creating well thought through programmes with measurable results, and accessing grants and major donors (people who will give significant amounts because you achieve results, not relatively small amounts to play polo).

And although Lesotho is poor, it is part of SADC which has some very wealthy parts and people who want to invest in the region.

tamade · 27/03/2025 00:37

It is well known that for many millionaires and billionaires their charities are a vehicle for them to enjoy their money and influence, whilst looking philanthropic and not paying tax.

Harry and Megan are just not as bright as the others who are doing it

StartupRepair · 27/03/2025 02:08

I have long struggled with the idea that rich white men flying themselves and horses around in private jets to play polo is somehow a noble generous effort to change the disparity of the world.

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:20

JessicaBlabbit · 26/03/2025 16:26

No that's not true.

What we also know is that Dr Chandauka applied to the High Court to apply for an injunction to stop them firing her.

This was granted by the High Court which indicates she has supplied sufficient evidence at this poinb that she would likely win her case.

Her not being fired does not necessarily mean that she is vindicated. What it means is that they are not allowed to fire her in the way that they wish.

I am usually on the side of women (especially women of colour) but in this case I am going to wait until more details are available. I am put off by her alluding to misogynoir etc without evidence as it sounds as though she is jumping on an anti-Harry bandwagon.

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:22

Baital · 26/03/2025 22:29

It is a very old fashioned and not very effective way to fundraise. Great for the egos of those involved, but very inefficient compared to creating well thought through programmes with measurable results, and accessing grants and major donors (people who will give significant amounts because you achieve results, not relatively small amounts to play polo).

And although Lesotho is poor, it is part of SADC which has some very wealthy parts and people who want to invest in the region.

Apparently, they raised quite a lot of money through the polo and less when the Chair tried other more localised means of fundraising.

Thedom · 27/03/2025 06:26

People magazine have an 'inside' scoop on what went on behind the scenes, (wonder who dropped those tips to People), basically financial mismanagement since Dr. Chandauka became chair, (600k spent on consultants), leaving the charity in a precarious situation.

https://archive.ph/ies7s

When reached for comment, a representative for Chandauka tells PEOPLE:

"First and foremost, like much of the content circulated yesterday, a lot of information being shared is untrue and defamatory in nature. When we are ready as an organization, we will share more detail regarding the events leading up to this point. Moreover, the Board acts collectively on major decisions, and it would be inappropriate to assume decisions were made by any one person. As previously said, legal action was taken because of the cover-up of issues relating to abuse of power, misconduct, mismanagement, bullying, harassment, misogyny and misogynoir amongst other concerns."

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:31

CrescentMoonDancing · 26/03/2025 17:17

Im pretty sure the origins of this is about a type of whip called a cat rather than the feline moggy… Google says it’s thought to allude to a cat-o’-nine-tails, a whip used to punish in the British military. But, another good example where the original meaning has been lost to common knowledge.

If it refers to a whip then the phrase is offensive isn’t it? A whip that would have been used to beat enslaved people and indentured servants. I won’t be using that phrase again.

The English language is so versatile that it is easy to find alternatives to outdated phrases.

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:35

tamade · 27/03/2025 00:37

It is well known that for many millionaires and billionaires their charities are a vehicle for them to enjoy their money and influence, whilst looking philanthropic and not paying tax.

Harry and Megan are just not as bright as the others who are doing it

Remember Harry started this charity when very young and long before he married Markle so the grifter narrative you suggest may not apply here.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 06:48

Weepixie · 26/03/2025 17:43

@GiveMeSpanakopita - I’ve been wondering where you were. Your presence has been sorely missed.

awww thanks :-)

I've been running round working on actual paying clients ;-) only just got my head back above water and ready to relax a bit on my fave message board :-)

Some raised eyebrows in the industry over Meghan's prioritising a clapback at her internet haters with the cute pie-eating stunt in Gwyneth's kitchen, just at the moment that Harry is losing one of his last remaining charities, and one which is of great personal importance to him.

Nevertheless, as we know, Meghan has herself experienced and bravely called out the misogyny and misgynoir and bullying to which she was subjected by the evil colonialist RF. Also, as per her Valentine's Day message, she is Harry's biggest supporter and will always stand by him; the salt to his pepper.

Therefore I am sure that we will soon hear from her in vocal support of her beloved husband and in fierce rebuttal of the baseless calumnies to which he has been subjected.

Any moment now.

In my professional life I've been witness to a few Board bust ups, and advised individuals on one side or the other. IMVVHO this bust-up can be read in one of two ways:

  1. Sentebale was struggling and had already watered down its aims, from batting HIV/AIDS to the far more flimsy aim of 'promoting health and climate resilience'. This led to a decrease in donations and possibly there were operating issues and cultural red flags, which Dr Chandauka was explicitly appointed to solve (note she has a legal background) and to set the charity back on the right course. (It's very noticeable to me that their most high profile fundraising events take place not on the continent of Africa but in the US, and seem to be focussed on things Harry enjoys, such as polo, rather than things the charity's beneficiaries might reasonably enjoy and be expected to be proficient in.) Dr C takes the helm, spends the requisite time digging, dislikes what she sees and tries to whistleblow. This leads to a bust-up and the Trustees try to force her out; she resists and takes the fight to the courts and the media. OR:
  2. Sentebale was broadly doing well, and its strategy of watering down the mission and doing fundraising events outside of Africa was working just fine. Dr C is a troublemaker who wouldn't listen to her white saviours Trustees and so they tried to oust her. She is now making up lies and taking thinly veiled swipes at Harry himself. As a lover of litigation and a brave warrior against the evil lies of the media, Harry can now countersue to protect his good name.

We shall see...but this is a story that's going to run and run....so the Sussexes had better get their PR fightback campaign up and running. Like, yesterday.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:07

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:31

If it refers to a whip then the phrase is offensive isn’t it? A whip that would have been used to beat enslaved people and indentured servants. I won’t be using that phrase again.

The English language is so versatile that it is easy to find alternatives to outdated phrases.

Is it really better to pretend the past did not exist? To push all references out of our knowledge? No more Baa baa black sheep because it references offensive over taxation of the poor? No more ‘pop goes the weasel’ as it glorifies alcoholism and debt? Actually best get rid of all nursery rhymes lest you reference torture (Mary Mary quite contrary), death penalty (oranges and lemons), or the death of millions (here we go round the mulberry bush). Better to be like the BBC rewriting our history to pretend half of Tudor Brits were black (but only the white ones were responsible for misdeeds).

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:16

When reached for comment, a representative for Chandauka tells PEOPLE:
"First and foremost, like much of the content circulated yesterday, a lot of information being shared is untrue and defamatory in nature. When we are ready as an organization, we will share more detail regarding the events leading up to this point. Moreover, the Board acts collectively on major decisions, and it would be inappropriate to assume decisions were made by any one person. As previously said, legal action was taken because of the cover-up of issues relating to abuse of power, misconduct, mismanagement, bullying, harassment, misogyny and misogynoir amongst other concerns."

This statement makes me more sceptical about Chandauka - the emphasis on the fact the Board acts collectively suggesting a wish to avoid responsibility, the wish to control the message (when we are ready…”, the accusations of defamation combined with accusations against others…

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 07:23

Owl55 · 26/03/2025 13:04

So much said by people who have no idea of the true reason for him to leave and the whole board of trustees !! Once again it’s used as a stick to discredit Harry .Can we really believe anything the DM prints?

The great thing about the Mail is that they are rigorous to the point of paranoia about thoroughly lawyering every line they publish with a view to its standing up in court.

They've been that way since the editor starting receiving lawsuits and credible death threats during the Mail's brave campaign to unmask the real killers of Stephen Lawrence. And upped their legal structure after the hacking scandal.

The upshot of all that is that if you read something in the Daily Mail, you can be absolutely confident that it's true. Unlike other outlets such as the Indie, a once great paper that now can't afford lawyers or even journalists (they use an AI generator for a lot of stuff) and make mistakes all over the place.

The other thing about the Mail is that the Mail Online is the world's most read source of online news. So by picking this outlet, Dr C knew that her statement would be accessible to readers on all continents, and not behind a paywall.

She's being very well advised!

tamade · 27/03/2025 07:24

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:35

Remember Harry started this charity when very young and long before he married Markle so the grifter narrative you suggest may not apply here.

Yes you are right to correct me on that detail, I do think the charity was started by an idealistic young prince without ulterior motive.

IMO the archewell foundation has always been a vehicle for grift and once you have your hand in the till its a slippery slope

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 07:26

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:16

When reached for comment, a representative for Chandauka tells PEOPLE:
"First and foremost, like much of the content circulated yesterday, a lot of information being shared is untrue and defamatory in nature. When we are ready as an organization, we will share more detail regarding the events leading up to this point. Moreover, the Board acts collectively on major decisions, and it would be inappropriate to assume decisions were made by any one person. As previously said, legal action was taken because of the cover-up of issues relating to abuse of power, misconduct, mismanagement, bullying, harassment, misogyny and misogynoir amongst other concerns."

This statement makes me more sceptical about Chandauka - the emphasis on the fact the Board acts collectively suggesting a wish to avoid responsibility, the wish to control the message (when we are ready…”, the accusations of defamation combined with accusations against others…

Nah that's just good corporate governance. The Board is a collective and collective decision making is one of its fiduciary duties.

I interpret that statement as Dr C saying, in effect "We, the Board, are sticking to the highest standards of good corporate governance; it is the Trustees who have acted unethically and according to low governance standards."

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:28

You cannot separate actions of the trustee from actions of the board. The trustees are the board (aka board of trustees) so if the trustees have acted unethically and according to low governance standards then so has the board due to collective responsibility.

You cannot say ‘the board acted collectively’ for Dr C’s actions and ‘trustees acted individually’ for everyone else’s.

tamade · 27/03/2025 07:34

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:07

Is it really better to pretend the past did not exist? To push all references out of our knowledge? No more Baa baa black sheep because it references offensive over taxation of the poor? No more ‘pop goes the weasel’ as it glorifies alcoholism and debt? Actually best get rid of all nursery rhymes lest you reference torture (Mary Mary quite contrary), death penalty (oranges and lemons), or the death of millions (here we go round the mulberry bush). Better to be like the BBC rewriting our history to pretend half of Tudor Brits were black (but only the white ones were responsible for misdeeds).

"not enough room to swing a cat" and "let the cat out of the bag" are both references to the cat-o-nine tails whip, used by the British Navy to punish sailors and kept in a canvas bag.
I don't believe there is anything particularly racist about it

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:35

In terms of collective responsibility - it you disagree with the actions of another trustee and don’t wish to be associated with their actions then you either have to remove them or step down - which the rest of the board did when they couldn’t remove Dr C.

Thedom · 27/03/2025 07:37

I think the fact the 'insider' allegations to People ([email protected] ??) do lend to there being a smear campaign in the works against her personally. It looks like she is the one who brought the concerns to the charity commission, and had to protect herself first by going to the high court to get an injunction against being fired.

Mightymoog · 27/03/2025 07:38

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:31

If it refers to a whip then the phrase is offensive isn’t it? A whip that would have been used to beat enslaved people and indentured servants. I won’t be using that phrase again.

The English language is so versatile that it is easy to find alternatives to outdated phrases.

Ridiculous.
You're actually saying you aren't sure where the phrase comes from but will stop using it anyway.
What do you do when someone says something that is properly insulting? You must explode in a cloud of self righteous virtue signalling

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:41

Thedom · 27/03/2025 07:37

I think the fact the 'insider' allegations to People ([email protected] ??) do lend to there being a smear campaign in the works against her personally. It looks like she is the one who brought the concerns to the charity commission, and had to protect herself first by going to the high court to get an injunction against being fired.

The same could be said of her statements. I suspect a more general falling out with issues all round.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 07:43

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:28

You cannot separate actions of the trustee from actions of the board. The trustees are the board (aka board of trustees) so if the trustees have acted unethically and according to low governance standards then so has the board due to collective responsibility.

You cannot say ‘the board acted collectively’ for Dr C’s actions and ‘trustees acted individually’ for everyone else’s.

Edited

Ah OK. I thought there would be a board of operational management overseen by a board of trustees who meet regularly but aren't in charge of the day to day.

Thank you for educating me in the Way of Charity :-)

So it's a proper boardroom bust-up, then. Exciting. I look forward to Dr C delivering on her promise to providing a timeline of what's led up to this point. I reckon it's going to be pretty explosive.

Thedom · 27/03/2025 07:44

To be fair, I suspect Harrys' input into any of his charities is limited to showing up, doing a few fist pumps, pinching a male nipple here and there, cracking a few jokes and that's it, job done. So I am not sure how culpable he is in the governance issues in any way.

ThePoshUns · 27/03/2025 07:47

I’m just here for @GiveMeSpanakopita updates. Thank you.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:48

So it's a proper boardroom bust-up, then. Exciting. I look forward to Dr C delivering on her promise to providing a timeline of what's led up to this point. I reckon it's going to be pretty explosive.

and selective.

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