If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

Very true but I was wondering if even harry didn’t have the bare faced nerve to sit next to her whilst she trotted out the worst of her dramatics about his family.

Well, Oprah has buried the interview, though it is still worth a lot of money. Why would a shrewd business woman do that?

I assume embarrassment at her own performance.

@Baital how has she buried it, like has she deleted it from her YouTube (if she has one) or social media?
It's a pretty famous interview, wonder why she would hide it.

Totally agree.

But Harry and Meghan will never subject themselves to actual scrutiny. They want complete control over any interviews they give.

It's their truth that matters - no matter whose reputations they destroy with their malice. I think Meghan knows exactly what she's doing/has done. I don't think Harry does, though. Subsequent interviews etc have shown that he has no clue how serious his betrayal of his family has been and how irrevocable are the allegations he and Meghan have made. It's a lack of intelligence and a sense of entitlement combined on his part. Leaving his family out of it -look at the cruelty with which he wrote about the disabled matron at his prep school, and the crass revelations about losing his virginity. Stupid, stupid man.

There have been rumours - and they are only rumours, I admit - that she is angling for an interview with William and Catherine, partly in a bid to restore her credibility now it's so obvious that she was played by Meghan and Harry.

Good luck with that, Oprah. I won't hold my breath.

There is no feud , one side has told lie after lie and attacked their family publicly, the other side has said nothing!

I fully believe she threatened to kill herself (supposedly the night where they attended the Gala or Variety Performance at the RAH) to force Harry’s hand in what came next. And I also think she had an idea that being part of the Royal Family would mean celebrity status on a global level, she didn’t understand what it would actually be like/thought she could change things to suit her. She was sorely mistaken and she did not like it.

Harry comes across as a few slices short of a loaf but I think she knew that from the off.

I find it hard to believe they are so 'in love'.

I can see why he'd be so 'in love' with her. She's beautiful, cleverer than him, can manipulate him, has given him the family he craved, triggers his mummy issues.

But why would she be 'in love' with him? He's not particularly good looking. Although the beard helps, before the beard he wasn't an attractive man. He's pretty dim. He has no skills. He's bitter.

I can see that he's useful to her but I can't see why she's be so bowled over by love for him.

I put 'in love' in '' "" because I find it a nauseatingly stupid concept for married people with kids to bang on about anyway.

It doesn't matter now how crazy in love you are, it matters how much you love each other which means selfless dedication not butterflies in your tummy.

I think that Harry does have an inkling about the damage he has done . The fact that he did not update Spare when the paperback version was issued and did no publicity for it makes me wonder if he had a pang of conscience.
Also , the fact that he was not told about Catherine’s cancer before the rest of the world must have stung.

Yes, it's not available on any platform.

I doubt it was a pang of conscience - I believe it was much more self serving than that. Initially - post spare - he demanded an apology from his family before he could countenance making contact with them. The silence, indiffernce and tumbleweed tht ensued must have stung .... especually being frozen out by his UK mates who would not sully their reputations by associalting with PH.

I think the penny dropped that any further mud slinging would damage his own reputation and therefore his ability to secure further commercial contracts rather than any concern for the impact on his family.

Agree with this.
The problem was:

• Megan had no respect or understanding of our royal family and upon learning this, she still didn't care
• the fact Kate and Wills were "above" her and Harry seriously disgruntled her
• She made a shit effort at integrating with the family, and whilst doing this she sunk her claws in Harry even more so, knowing her plan
• Suicide etc was mentioned, and Harry felt he HAD to go. Especially as they had a child by this point.
• As long as he is with Meghan, nothing will get sorted.

Also Harry will absolutely have thoughts on the situation that he wouldn't dare share with Markle because she would throw a hissy fit. I would imagine he's very upset he doesn't get to see his Nephews and Neice anymore and his SIL.
Is Meghan worth it all? I don't think so.
Every time Harry has to go back to England for a wedding/funeral/Wills' coronation Meghan will HATE it.

I think we expect more from royals (perhaps rightly so, given the vast wealth and privilege they are accorded) than we do from ordinary people. How many times on here do we see that posters are no contact with their families? And further, we see that posters are advised to go no contact - often with good cause. The Royal Family are hugely dysfunctional, and from a mental health / well-being perspective I think the Sussex family are well out of it.

I get the frustration from the general public at the washing of dirty linen in public and the trying to cash in on royalty - all different matters, though. From the perspective of mending the feud, I think he's quite correct to go no contact.

Posters are usually advised to go no contact when some harm has been done to them though. What harm was done to Harry by his family? Being “dysfunctional” doesn’t necessarily make them harmful. What concrete harm has been done to Harry, other than he was offended that he was told to slow down and reflect on his relationship with Meghan and whether she was going to be happy as a working royal?

I would disagree that the RF are dysfunctional. The previous generation definitely had a lot of issues. However when you see the current royals together, they look like they enjoy being together. There were reports that W and C would row a lot but W has apparently mellowed and matured and it was clear at the coronation they have a warm relationship. It's particularly nice to see the close relationships between the young children. What a shame that H's dcs won't have that.

Bloody hell if we all went no contact because our family was dysfunctional they'd barely be anyone with a family.

No contact is for when there is or has been abuse and it would harm you to maintain contact.

Families by their very nature in consisting of many flawed human beings trying to navigate relationships over long periods of time inevitably form some dysfunction. Often people aren't even aware of the dysfunction because it's their normal and they all manage it.

The royals have a unique context but they are just people.

No-one knows what goes on behind closed doors. But in general the family appears to muddle along in much the same way as any family does.

Some cousins are closer than others.

Since QE2 (with 4 children and 8 grandchildren) has died the focus has narrowed, understandably.

KC3 has 2 children and 5 grandchildren, one child and 2 grandchildren are estranged. They would have dropped by the wayside even not estranged, in the way Margaret's children were.

All fairly normal, except for H&M making an attempt to merch it.

Oprah, Gayle and Tyler Perry couldn't contain their excitement at the idea Meghan claimed she suffered racism at the hands of Harry's family. I wonder how they feel about it now Harry has refuted Meghans' lies.

As far as I can remember the Oprah interview, she said she was told by Harry that there was talk if how dark the color of the baby's skin was going to be, and that he wouldn't be a Prince, when Charles became King.
Firstly, there is a difference between having a conversation about colour if babies with parents present and having one without. Harry would have known that his father wanted to slim down the Royal Family. The easiest way to do that is to only give Prince/ Princess titles and hrh to those directly in line( I think this is a good idea but I don't think it will happen now) It wouldn't surprise me if Harry was pissed off about the second thing and instead of explaining this to Meghan, added the ' skin colour' thing on in the same sentence ( I think he said it was courtiers, who have a reputation as thinking they are more Royal than the Royals. It wouldnt surprise me ) because he didn't want his kids titles taken away. This is all on him. He's not a baby. He decided to tell his pregnant wife that basically people had been concerned about her baby's skin colour. He may not have been there at the interview but it wasn't live. He did nothing to stop this going out when he did stop other things. He then reiterated it when asked. He then wrote a book. He then apparently lied to TLQ about Lilli's name. I don't doubt she has enabled him, but all of this is on him. He is spoilt and entitled. In other words, he's a Royal. As usual, the Royal man can do no wrong. They have to be under the influence of a woman.

Being forced to walk behind his mother's coffin (and being told in no uncertain terms not to cry whilst doing it) in front of the whole world as a grieving 12 year old springs immediately to mind. I'm sure I could think of others if I put my mind to it.

No I think it would be worse. They would be complaining about everything and seeing sights at every turn. Good for everyone they moved away.

Harry did defend Susan Hussey after the Meghan Markle fan accused SH of racism.

..... the Duchess of Sussex Meghan, and I love Susan Hussey”.
He continued: “And I also know that what she meant – she never meant any harm at all. But the response from the British press, and from people online because of the stories that they wrote was horrendous.”

However, I think that was partly also to undermine his family who had asked Susan Hussey to resign and while William made a statement saying there was no place for racism in theRF .

He is nasty and vindictive.

He wasn’t “forced” to walk behind his mother’s coffin. He has said that “no child should be asked to do that” but then he has also said he was “glad” he did it https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41017659 See here. There are also many accounts of Prince Philip making sure it was what the boys wanted and then volunteering to walk with them

Both brothers indicate that it was tough:

Harry:
"Harry had previously said walking behind her coffin aged 12 was something no child "should be asked to do". He has now told the BBC he doesn't "have an opinion whether that was right or wrong", but "looking back on it", he is glad to have been part of the day."

William:
"Prince William told Sunday's 90-minute documentary, Diana, 7 Days, walking behind his mother's coffin was "one of the hardest things I've ever done".
The Duke of Cambridge, who was 15, recalled using his fringe as a "safety blanket" during the "very long, lonely walk". "I felt if I looked at the floor and my hair came down over my face, no-one could see me," he said.
"It wasn't an easy decision and it was a sort of collective family decision to do that... there is that balance between duty and family and that's what we had to do." The balance, he added, was "between me being Prince William and having to do my bit, versus the private William who just wanted to go into a room and cry, who'd lost his mother".

Having lost a parent at a young age myself I think it's utterly appalling that the family even considered this as an option for those young lads. And, a Vogue article indicates that Harry only did it because he didn't want William to be alone on that walk:

"Another plan suggested that the elder William walk without Harry. In his memoir, Spare, Harry recalls refusing to do so: “I didn’t want Willy to undergo an ordeal like that without me,” he wrote."

The Vogue article (https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/princess-diana-funeral#:~:text=As%20adults%2C%20both%20men%20have,he%20told%20Newsweek%20in%202017. ) goes on to say: "As adults, both men have spoken out about the deep pain this choice caused them – especially Harry. “My mother had just died, and I had to walk a long way behind her coffin, surrounded by thousands of people watching me while millions more did on television,” he told Newsweek in 2017. After he distanced himself from the royal family in 2020, he spoke more openly about the trauma: “The thing I remember the most was the sound of the horse’s hooves going along the Mall, the red brick road,” he said in the 2021 docuseries The Me You Can’t See. “By this point, both of us were in shock. It was like I was outside of my body. I’m just walking along and doing what was expected of me, showing one-tenth of the emotion that everybody else was showing.” Eventually, he admits, the pain caused by his mother’s death – and his subsequent suppression of it – led him to seek therapy."