If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

Of course they weren't worried! Meghan said it to Oprah to cause controversy. To present herself as a victim.

A CNN article in July 2013 speculated on Prince George’s potential appearance including eye colour, hair, height and skin tone. Below is a link to the full article and I have copied the relevant portion on skin tone:
What – and who – will the royal baby look like?
“Catherine’s commoner genes might lead to a somewhat darker-skinned baby, Saggar said.
The royals, he explained, are pretty pale. Catherine’s skin has a considerably more olive tone, and the baby will likely be somewhere between the two – but more like Catherine because her genes are dominant over lighter ones.
“The odds are the child will have darker skin color than the royals might be used to,” Saggar said.”

Two things struck me about the Dutch extract. 1. Few Americans (and I’d argue many British people) would know that Camilla was the Princess of Wales at the time of the alleged discussion and 2. Omid strategically used titles for the alleged conversation with Harry and then listed the names that were in Charles’ letter, so it is possible that different people were involved in the alleged conversation and versus those listed in the letter.

Given the precedent with George, it is likely Charles counseled Harry on how the media could speculate on Archie’s appearance and tried to advise Harry on how to deal with this issue using the Cambridges' experience as an example.

Omid wrote “the then Princess of Wales remained silent”. Given Harry’s animosity towards his stepmother Camilla, "the then Princess of Wales", it is reasonable that she would have maintained a prudent silence while Charles was counseling his son.

Heaven knows what Harry with his drug-addled memory relayed to Meghan regarding that conversation. Post Oprah interview, Charles sent a letter in good faith explaining the matter only to have that same letter weaponized against Catherine.

We do know that Charles has a copy of the letter that he sent. And that eventually it will be released to the public. H&M’s descendants will have to live with the consequences of H&M’s decisions when that letter eventually comes to light.

Even during the interview, Harry and Meghan couldn't agree. Harry said discussions when they were engaged, Meghan said when she was pregnant.
Meghan also linked the potential colour to titles and security.

She also said you have to have a title to get security I’m sure. Which is a lie. I remembered watching knowing the terms of the letters patent, and thinking “Um you were NEVER getting a title”. Then they had the nerve to name their daughter after the woman whose reputation and family they tried to trash. I really just think they’re awful and that the English contingent are better off without them

Yes, they've never explained how Archie and Lilibet are actually Prince and Princess 🙄

Aren’t they automatically entitled to be styled that way because they’re direct descendants of the monarch?

Of course. Which made the claims about not getting those titles utterly ridiculous.

Only grandchildren of the monarch get Prince and Princess titles. UNLESS you’re in the direct line of succession, in hi h case you’re born with a title.

When Catherine was pregnant with George the Queen changed a few things to namely:

1. Make sure boys didn’t leapfrog their sisters in the line of succession.
2. Make sure that siblings of those in the direct line of succession got titles to to evade any jealousy.

Had the Queen not done number 1, and Charlotte was born first, she wouldn’t be Queen as long as she had little brothers

Had the Queen not done number 2 only George would be Prince and Charlotte and Louis would be something else like Lady or Viscount

Archie and Lilibet were never gonna get Prince/Princess titles until the Queen died. They were offered Earl of Dumbarton for Archie but reportedly Meghan didn’t want her son to have “Dumb” in his title.

....and if Harry didn't know that, or misinformed Meghan, he's to blame.

If Phillip was such a racist, surely MM would have been able to provide an example or two to Oprah or at thar Queen of Hertz award do, where she collected her award forvstanding up to RF racism.

I always find Harry has such a brass neck for calling out others over racism giving his own past!

Not to mention accepting a fucking AWARD for it.

Oh but he had a meeting with a Rabbi so that’s ok 🙄

@CoffeeCantata thank you for answering that! I never knew there were so many untruths- Eg. pretending they were already married, lying in court etc.!

I can’t remember which author wrote this but apparently Meghan threatened to end the relationship if Harry didn’t go public about it . Clearly Harry panicked , ignored advice and issued his statement / tantrum.
Charles was about to embark on an important tour and it is said he was furious that his event was being overshadowed.,

Harry is not the problem. Meghan is not the problem. The problem is Harry met Meghan. They are a toxic mix and always will be wherever they are. If they lived in the UK the RF would have to be more creative in avoiding them, but avoid them they would.

I don't think so - not with the Oprah interview and the autobiography - people aren't going to forgive those. Harry doesn't come across as the brightest bulb does he? Cross that with the entitlement he has and it's not a good combination.

I don't care either way but he just comes across even worse than William, Charles etc. as he flounced!

If Harold had remained in the UK the feud would never have happened IMO.

His problem is he's always been a tetchy, entitled piece of work and while he's not the only one,unlike the others he couldn't find anyone to overlook it (which in itself speaks volumes).

Had he managed it I think he'd have sucked up the grunt stuff in return for an unimaginably luxurious lifestyle just like the rest of 'em.

If Harold had remained in the UK the feud would never have happened IMO.

It had started before he left. Spare just made it public.

It had started before he left. Spare just made it public.

Had it? When?

Can we rely on 'Waaaagh' as a reputable source?

Willy seemed very happy to placate Harold with redirected funds (not his own, natch) from the Royal Foundation to Sussex Royal/ MWX.

Funds (as an aside) that have never been adequately accounted for after their subsequent transfer to the privately controlled and beyond UK charitable scrutiny, Travalyst.

And (as I said upthread) that Meghan gushes about her children's 'blue, blue eyes' and fair hair.

Just as well it's Meghan who said that, isn't it? You know, I think she herself needs to watch what she says. She hardly comes across as valuing her own racial heritage - in many ways.

Oprah has a lot to answer for in her now infamous “interview”. She asked no questions to clarify the alleged skin colour discussion comment but instead reacted with faux incredulity ramping up the shock horror of it all and allowing MM to get away with her victim role by snide insinuation because clear accusations would have been actionable.
A decent interviewer would have asked for context. Oprah was clearly more interested in what great tv this would make than the truth and the rest of the world was happy to take this as investigative journalism rather than the celebrity wank it actually was.

Oprah just fanned the flames.

I can’t remember now but was there a reason given why parts of the Oprah debacle were individual with MM rather than the two twats together?

Because Meghan has to be the centre of attention ? See also , walking halfway down the aisle alone .