If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

When are they going to release this bloody visa……still waiting

I wonder if he’s tried to get an injunction or something?

She also did ballet lessons as a young child. She’d have known damn well how to bob a simple curtsy.

I don't get it! Do they think we're all stupid?
Why lie about so many things? Things that can be checked?
Weird.

So that’s why I think they were having the discussions - not serious planning discussions but talking through the options with a potential option of having the Queen make those changes before Charles became King.

Here’s a bit of the transcript:

Meghan: But the idea of our son not being safe, and also the idea of the first member of colour in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be . . . You know, the other piece of that conversation is, there’s a convention — I forget if it was George V or George VI convention — that when you’re the grandchild of the monarch, so when Harry’s dad becomes king, automatically Archie and our next baby would become prince or princess, or whatever they were going to be.
Oprah: So, for you, it’s about protection and safety, not so much as what the . . . what the title means to the world.
Meghan: That’s a huge piece of it, but, I mean, but . . .
Oprah: . . . and that having the title gives you the safety and protection?
Meghan: Yeah, but also it’s not their right to take it away.
Oprah: Yeah.
Meghan: Right? And so, I think even with that convention I’m talking about, while I was pregnant, they said they want to change the convention for Archie.
Oprah: Mmm.
Meghan: Well, why?
Oprah: Did you get an answer?
Meghan: No.
Oprah: You still don’t have an answer?
Meghan: No

No idea @ScarlettOYara!
its not just the big ones , it’s the ridiculous little ones that lead me to believe this is not a new phenomenon for her!
and let’s not forget there is an army of fans who believe this crap and defend it to this day!
harry is a different thing entirely! , I think he’s been so coddled all his life by people afraid of disagreeing with him , that I don’t think he will ever admit he’s wrong!

I'm just astounded! I can't understand why all the fans don't notice the lies!

🤷‍♀️ they don’t want to !
even when obvious ones were pointed out they countered with the most ridiculous arguments! And if that didn’t work we were all labelled racist! , even posters who are poc themselves!
its a mystery! , almost cult like !

Oh my goodness. That's cult like behaviour!

No, probably not.

William and Harry have become very different people - or at least seem to be from the outside. William has grown into his role as future King in a way that is impressive and reassuring. Harry has gone the other way, which is quite draining and unattractive for a 40 year old - and hard to respect or want to be around I would imagine.

So, was Meghan saying that there were discussions being held before the Queen’s death that future grandchildren of the monarch (Charles) would not be titled Prince or Princess. And that, as William’s three already had their titles, it would look like there was racism at play if it were to be changed for Archie and subsequently Lili? (Sorry, I just can’t call her the full name).

Yes - I think so.

We’ve all speculated on here that a slimmed down monarchy would be more easily achieved if the ‘senior’ titles were reserved for the line of the heir only - so in the future only George’s children get Prince/Princess titles, and so Charlotte and Louis’s kids would be styled like Edward’s kids Lord/Lady etc, unless George didn’t have kids and Charlotte became heir then her kids could be bumped up a title at that point.

What Meghan appears to be saying there is that the royal family have been having this same discussion too and had thought about changing the convention for grandchildren of the monarch before the Queen died. Her opinion seems to have been that it would look racist to do that to the first mixed race grandchild.

I’m sure Charles had been thinking about this long before Meghan was on the scene - if Harry had married Chelsey or Cressida it might have gone through because it wouldn’t have led to the speculation that it was done just because Meghan wasn’t white.

The problem with the Oprah interview was the muddled and odd way Meghan kept conflating different things and Oprah kept interrupting with her exaggerated exclamations. She threw in that they’d also said Archie wouldn’t get security because he wasn’t going to be a prince.

Which can’t be true because all sorts of people who aren’t even Royal get paid security if there’s deemed to be a need for it by the intel available.

I’m imagining the conversation about security was more along the lines of as your children grow up and drop down the line of succession like Edward’s kids, like Princess Margaret’s kids etc, there’s not probably not going to be the need for 24 hour security.

Princess Beatrice and Eugenie lost their police protection in 2011 when they were 5th and 6th in line to the throne.

EDITED TO ADD - Cross posted with wordlers post just now.

@wordler "Meghan: Right? And so, I think even with that convention I’m talking about, while I was pregnant, they said they want to change the convention for Archie.
Oprah: Mmm. BSQ Who told you . Who is they ?
Meghan: Well, why?
Oprah: Did you get an answer?
Meghan: No.
BSQ Did you ask ?
Oprah: You still don’t have an answer?
Meghan: No

Wordless , thank you for that. I must have misremembered . So they knew they had to wait but had been told "they" were thinking abut changing it. So a shot across the bows? I have inserted my Basilisk Suggested Questions (BSG) in italics. But I am not a globally famous billionaire interviewer so what do I know 😂

What would be more interesting is if Archie will inherit the title which at current course and speed he will , or might it be appropriate Harry gets to keep the Dukedom and then it dies out. But I suspect Charles thinks this doesn't need to be thought about now. And the Prince and Princess titles will die out anyway in time. I don't think Charles will ever "strip Harry's title" because who knows what may happen in the future. The RF are very good at playing the long game. In hindsight It might have been better to have given the Dukedom as a lifetime title like the DoE but those were more optimistic times. 😊

Just a ramble.

Your inserted questions are spot on - Oprah was absolutely useless in that interview - she kept interrupting and she didn’t ask any follow up questions that would have actually got to the point.

It was bad enough listening to it the first time but when you read the transcript you see just what a bad interview it was from both sides. Meghan’s ‘right’ that she sticks in all over the place drives me bonkers - I know someone in real life who does this too - she’s also from California.

From day 1 Harry and Meghan should have been told that they were on the Edward and Sophie path. Given an Earldom and children not expected to use prince titles. An upgrade to a Dukedom at William's discretion when he is king. Edward was the younger son of the monarch for 60 years. The model was right there to be used.

And then after all that passed they went and chose the name Lilibet when the Queen had only given her blessing for the use of Elizabeth. They are both off their heads.

That's an absolute classic, isn't it?
Lilibet 🙄

They really are a piece of work. But they got what they wanted so never mind about anyone else. It did look a bit desperately clinging to the wreckage Could have been Elizabeth and she could still have been known as Lily.

I suspect these discussions about slimming down the monarchy have been going on for a couple of decades (at least).

The current situation is the result of George V slimming down the titles during WW1, and lots of 'Prince's got downgraded to Lord so and so.

It's time for another iteration, with Edward and Sophie and their children being examples. Lifetime dukedom after many years quietly representing the monarch (having learned that half in half out doesn't work), and children not using the Prince/Princess title.

It suited H&M's agenda to claim racism, and link it to security, but that doesn't add up, except with the super fans.

I do find it interesting that the lifetime dukedom didn't happen until Charles took over. I'm not sure that the late Queen would have approved that for Harry, or indeed for Edward. All along I got the feeling that Charles and William were pushing for modernising whereas she was, as is totally understandable given her age, a bit stuck in a more deferent past. I don't think Andrew would have been stripped of his official role without them applying pressure and whilst I do believe she was behind no half in half out, I don't think she would have given temporary titles at any point.

The Queen listened to advice though. And it was she who put her foot down over H and Markle. She was firm and decisive without being reactive.

I actually think making the Edinburgh Dukedom non hereditary was a wise move and she might well have supported the reasoning, that it is too important a title to become diluted through the generations due to Edward’s successors’ remoteness to the throne.

IIRC the letters patent was mentioned in the Oprah interview by Meghan but caveated with “there were conversations that this might change with Archie” - which contradicted what Meghan said first which was “He wasn’t going to be given a title”. I wonder if they feel silly for making such a fuss given it HASN’T changed, and Archie is a Prince like they so wanted.

Charles had been talking about a slimmed down monarchy LONG before Meghan came on the scene. If we WAS going to change the rules it’s because he wasn’t ALWAYS going to change the rules

I would like them to say "Archie and Lilibet are Prince and Princess. We were wrong to say that they wouldn't be, because of racism. We apologise for offence caused"

Justin Welby had to release a statement to clarify he hadn’t broken the law poor fella. They’ve no shame

Such a liar.

Also to not remember if it was George V or VI is pretty bad. That was the Queen’s father. Have some respect.

Interesting how Archie was 2 at this point and she never pointed out “But they didn’t change it for Archie”

The Sussex Squad are vile and another level of deluded. They won’t accept that H&M have done anything wrong ever