If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

If we are taking about being ‘fed to the wolves’ let’s discuss the evidence that Meghan made up the Rose Hanbury rumour and had her friends spread it around London.

I think Harry’s complaints about being thrown under a bus to stop this story coming out is a reverse. Meghan made it happen in the first place.

with maybe the exception of Invictus and when/if his legal cases end I cannot see him coming back to the UK again. He didn't even try to hide his dislike for the UK when asked, at least it's got countryside he likes. Whether he just managed to keep his contempt for William under wraps for 30 years he just can't seem to help himself now.

I suspect that all his old chums are 'busy' when he's in town and would not want to risk being photgraphed with him or have him mention publicly that they were it contact. I suspect he has been frozen out and subtly snubbed as his aristo chums align themselves with the future King. Must be a painful realisation.

....his aristo chums align themselves with the future King.

Some of them, like Hugh Grosvenor, were longstanding friends of William too, weren't they? And they're likely to keep seeing W&C at weddings and other events, while H isn't there.

Plus I don't suppose M encouraged him to keep up with his old pals. Did that lads' holiday he was supposed to be having for his 40th ever come off, and who were the lads?

Doesnt sound like it did - otherwise I am sure there would be coverage. Was this also scheduled just as The Hollywood Reporter bullying expose was published - and maybe PH was whistled back to the clap back photos of them attending Tyler Perrys birthday which OW also attended to demonstrate that they were 'supported'? TP & OW are business partners and are both keeping their investment protected (ie the big MM tells all interview etc)

I can understand why if you had to choose, you would side with the future King! However I would imagine H’s social circle would be appalled at H’s disloyalty when he had benefitted his whole life from their loyalty and discretion. H was just protected by the Palace but also by his friends who never dished the dirt on him.

I just find him disrespectful and vengeful, he's slagged off England and the UK many a time and yet the hypocritical excuse of a man remains in the line of succession of a country he doesn't like. He has his support group calling the UK all sorts of names, who he publicly thanks. Using the British courts for security on standby that he does not require. I'd actually have a much better view of him if he had renounced his titles. But he a walking (or private jet flying) contradicting idiot.

I ratched out my copy of Spare earlier and had a flick through the wedding bits to check on what a PP said. There’s 2 chapters that cover the tiara. He talks about the Queen’s dresser Angela (an “awful woman” according to Harry) in horrible terms. Basically Meghan picked her tiara in the Queen’s top secret dressing room and then it was all closed away. They then bombard Angela, no doubt a busy woman, with texts saying they the tiara in their possession. She doesn’t reply immediately and Harry suspects something is happening, he’s very angry and this is a sign of Meghan being mistreated. He texts a couple more times. They eventually get it, and sign it out, when Meghan has her hair trial. Harry tells Angela that it would have been better if they had had it sooner, and she “has a go” at him which he’s most upset by.

I mean does he think this is relatable? That he sounds like anything other than a rude spoiled ungrateful brat? This is the Queen’s prized jewels FFS, you can just nip round to collect it like you’re borrowing an air fryer.

I suspect this story was to refute the infamous “Meghan throws a strop when she doesn’t get the tiara she wants” tale. He’s spun it to make her sound like they’re marginalised - over some Crown Jewels.

Funnily enough he soon after talks about the Charlotte flower girl dress debacle. Kate text Meghan about it a few days before the wedding and Meghan took a day to reply because she was busy. Clearly they’re the only ones allowed to be busy and brush people off

He also mentions Catherine talked Meghan through tiara protocol and gave advice on how to wear it and how to have itweaved it into her hair. Nasty awful racist Catherine did this

Harry tells Angela that it would have been better if they had had it sooner, and she “has a go” at him which he’s most upset by.

She wouldn't stand for being bullied by him. Good for her.

I'd love to read Angela's unvarnished version of events, but I doubt we ever will. I think she had too much respect for the Queen to do a 'tell all' book.

What on earth was the point of Harry saying that? (Better if they’d had it sooner). Wasn’t going to change anything at that point. They had the tiara. Move on.
#teamAngela

Quite possibly she’s prevented from doing so anyway under the terms of her exit agreement. I thought Angela might have popped up giving talks on the royal wardrobe but her complete disappearance suggests she’s been metaphorically gagged.

She wrote a book didn’t she? Not an expose but just a journal as a dresser. I think

She wrote a book didn’t she? Not an expose but just a journal as a dresser. I think

Yes, I've read it. It was interesting to read how she sourced the fabrics and found the inspiration for her designs, and it's nicely illustrated. There were a few anecdotes, but nothing remotely indiscreet.

Charles bought her a house for her retirement.
I Doubt if she will do a tell - all out of respect for the late Queen.

I remember someone saying (might have been on here) they had read something a journalist said who had interviewed Paul Newman . When asked if he was (PN) was nice , the journalist said he was as nice as someone possibly could be who hadn't heard the word "no" for 25 years.

I think , to me , Harry in interviews and Spare comes across very much as someone who has rarely heard the word "no" in 40 years & hates it when he does. Re the tiara I think he said the hairdresser had come over and they asked for the tiara then but wasn't possible right there and then so hairdresser had to go away and come back. What on earth did Harry expect to happen? Angela to say - Oh that's fine sir , come over and I'll just see if I can find a bag to pop it in. It's £2m worth of tiara from the Queen's collection , of course there's going to be a rigmarole ie proper protocols about signing it out , getting it to and fro etc. The more I hear from his own mouth , & his own words the more I think the RF did a marvellous PR job for him.

I can't remember which interview but he was on a paparazzi roll ( & to be clear I think they can be pretty poor ) - but he said "it's amazing what some people people will do for money ." I just laughed. This was after OW , NF H&M series and Spare. Said with without a shred of irony.

Oh well. 😊

Or maybe she actually liked and respected the late Queen and wouldn’t dream of betraying her confidence even after her death? And didn’t need gagging, metaphorically or otherwise

She as an individual might not have needed gagging, but there are bound to be protocols for all departing staff, especially those who have been very close to the monarch.

I found the books she wrote very charming and full of love for the Queen (who approved them) and I’m sure she would always have been discreet and respectful. I do think however that there was another interesting book in her that she wasn’t allowed to write.

And to think Spare will have been written with the very obvious parts where he’s in a bad light written out. This book is the best version he can present of himself.
The few excerpts I read this afternoon show him to be paranoid and obsessed with being some sort of black sheep figure. IME the self professed black sheep rarely are - it’s always some other bigger somewhere who doesn’t get noticed and is sidelined because of the fake black sheep

Goes for any courtier or member of staff I guess. Which is why they seem to have picked their staff wisely throughout the years, given the lack of tell alls. Apart from Paul Burrell, who definitely didn’t nick all those dresses and that jewellery from Diana and dress up in them as he served his teddy bears tea, and put of a ladies voice and lipstick. Definitely didn’t do that. No way Jose.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-harry-bombshell-as-judge-orders-us-visa-docs-to-be-released/

Harry could have to come back to the UK sooner than you think. A few weeks ago I mentioned that the US Admin may not favourably look upon Harry re the visa. Many thought that they wouldn’t deport him. However, you cannot rule it out. The Colombia uni protester- married to an American and has a green card, is currently in detention and will be deported.

No Harry won’t be caught by ICE or sent to detention. But he may have to quietly return to the UK.

If he does, then he will have to express contrition for any sort of life to work here.

• renounce his Dukedom
• sign NDAs with his family members and palace staff
• He drops his court cases

In return, he stays in royal accommodation (obvs security there), he is slowly invited back into the family but private events only, palace staff working for him again, he can still do his charity stuff (albeit a smaller scale)

The children would have to spend time here so he could see them, he would have to drop all the security nonsense. But I suspect KC would pay for any security extras as long as Harry played ball.

There’s zero chance meghan would return

Interesting.
But if its revealed he's on an A1 visa then no drug taking will matter anyway?

He really shouldn’t be on an A1 visa now though and I’m pretty sure you can’t earn a salary (better up) if you are on that type of visa

All about dates I suppose

True @StrawberryWasp, but it’s going to raise its own questions, Harry is not then or now a head of state, and I may be wrong but doesn’t this mean that the us taxpayers have been paying for some of his security?
particularly as this would have been issued after Canadians stated that they were not going to be paying for it ! 🤔

How would the RF enforce a NDA with Harry, if there was one? They can't take him to court without creating a spectacle so it would not just be useless, it would also be grist to the mill for our Prince Victim.

Im reminded of the scene in South Park when Harry wants to walk away from the celebrity life to live quietly and looks to Meghan to come with him….and she just stands there….. and he has to leave by himself…….