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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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MinionKevin · 04/04/2025 16:46

I can’t believe her ‘fans’ who are the only ones who are going to buy this overpriced stuff can actually sustain a business. They might all buy initially but she’s going to need sell a lot and keep selling. I can’t see that happening.

AtIusvue · 04/04/2025 16:57

I agree, long term it’s not sustainable. Particularly when they find out she’s just cashing in on their loyalty.

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2024onwardsandup · 04/04/2025 18:45

I’m actually quite shocked by the shoddiness of the products to be honest. And not at all surprised to hear it’s all white labeled crap. But shocked that’s the path she’s gone down.

i would have thought this would be massively detrimental to her brand.

i predict the bombshell tell all book will be out if not this Christmas then next Christmas for sure

and I bet a theme will be her children not having access to their birth right….and she needs to be right next to them accessing that birth right…

I quite enjoy the drama with her - but I won’t enjoy at all how horrible it will be for the children

glitterturd · 04/04/2025 18:52

AtIusvue · 04/04/2025 16:57

I agree, long term it’s not sustainable. Particularly when they find out she’s just cashing in on their loyalty.

Mind you they don't seem to be the sharpest tools in the shed!

BelfastBug · 04/04/2025 19:28

Are most of them bots? Do we have a rough guess as to how many real life humans SS are hundreds? thousands?

AtIusvue · 04/04/2025 19:54

BelfastBug · 04/04/2025 19:28

Are most of them bots? Do we have a rough guess as to how many real life humans SS are hundreds? thousands?

No idea

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Mylovelygreendress · 04/04/2025 20:35

@2024onwardsandup

“i predict the bombshell tell all book will be out if not this Christmas then next Christmas for sure”

Given Meghan’s strange relationship with the truth , will people ( other than the squad) believe her ? Also given how long ago her blink and you miss it time in the RF was and how much has already been said , what could she write ?

CathyorClaire · 04/04/2025 20:59

I think a Harold take down carefully diarised tell-all is very likely in the works as I type and yes, that it'll be a massive sales spinner.

The only issue is timing...

Mylovelygreendress · 04/04/2025 21:08

I am no longer convinced she will write a book . In the event of a divorce ( which I don’t wish on them) I imagine the Royal lawyers will strike a hard bargain . The last thing Meghan wants is to lose her title or home in Montecito.

BelfastBug · 04/04/2025 22:07

Mylovelygreendress · 04/04/2025 21:08

I am no longer convinced she will write a book . In the event of a divorce ( which I don’t wish on them) I imagine the Royal lawyers will strike a hard bargain . The last thing Meghan wants is to lose her title or home in Montecito.

I dont believe the RF have the buying power to out bid OW + NF + Paramount + PRH + Spotify etc.

Also the content will likely be aimed at PH - so they will not care.

I think that they will continue with the 'never complain, never explain' and let the dust settle as no one believes her anyway.

glitterturd · 04/04/2025 22:36

I don't think they will ever split up but stranger things have happened 🤷‍♀️

DelectableMe · 05/04/2025 08:04

Mylovelygreendress · 04/04/2025 21:08

I am no longer convinced she will write a book . In the event of a divorce ( which I don’t wish on them) I imagine the Royal lawyers will strike a hard bargain . The last thing Meghan wants is to lose her title or home in Montecito.

There is no way on earth that Meghan would ever give up her title.
She is royalty now and that's it.

AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 09:17

If she divorces- she’s still a Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Which is how she styles herself and what she uses for her business. So there’d be no change. Almost like she’s thought about it…….

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AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 10:11

So by the looks of it- As ever is the fan merch and snow commerce is running the business.

Meghan is the Brand and she will licence out As ever, receiving royalties. From reading, royalties are usually 2-20% of net sales. Foods and berates usually between 10-13%.

She had to use a name like As ever, because she’s licensing out the brand. She wouldn't have been able to licence out ‘Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’

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AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 10:19

Vanity Fair

Sounds likes she was creating a proper lifestyle business at first. But that would take serious investment, work and time. So she went down the fan merch, brand licensing route …because it wouldn’t have required to put in any money and is much easier. So she thinks she was already a ‘brand’ when she launched this.

‘She also explained that partnering with Netflix’s Consumer Products Group changed her ambitions for the business. “Frankly, I was building out a very different business plan at the outset,” the duchess said. “The reach from Netflix, coupled with my vision for the brand, felt like it was going to be a really perfect match.”

‘She thanked Netflix's chief content officer Bela Bajaria, who she called a friend and role model, and the company’s vice president of consumer products Josh Simon for their work to make As Ever, which currently has 10 employees, a success. “They have tremendous experience on licensing deals and turning brands and shows into really good products, like Bridgerton**,” she said, adding that the As Ever staff is in contact with Simon’s CPG team daily.’

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/meghan-markle-says-a-dating-app-helped-her-pivot-branding-for-as-ever

Meghan Markle Says a Dating App Helped Her Pivot Branding For As Ever

Bumble founder Whitney Wolfe Herd helped Meghan, whose company was originally called “American Riviera Orchard,” learn an important lesson in entrepreneurship.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/meghan-markle-says-a-dating-app-helped-her-pivot-branding-for-as-ever

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AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 10:26

I highlighted the licensing part above, but for some reason it’s highlighted a different section.

Anyway, she’s talking about how it’s a licensing business. Which shows you how limited this venture is. Even the best tv shows have a shelf life. People won’t be buying Bridgerton products forever.
Also there seems to be many people involved in the venture, who will all want a cut. I’m not sure how much she can realistically expect to get.

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IcedPurple · 05/04/2025 10:34

AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 10:19

Vanity Fair

Sounds likes she was creating a proper lifestyle business at first. But that would take serious investment, work and time. So she went down the fan merch, brand licensing route …because it wouldn’t have required to put in any money and is much easier. So she thinks she was already a ‘brand’ when she launched this.

‘She also explained that partnering with Netflix’s Consumer Products Group changed her ambitions for the business. “Frankly, I was building out a very different business plan at the outset,” the duchess said. “The reach from Netflix, coupled with my vision for the brand, felt like it was going to be a really perfect match.”

‘She thanked Netflix's chief content officer Bela Bajaria, who she called a friend and role model, and the company’s vice president of consumer products Josh Simon for their work to make As Ever, which currently has 10 employees, a success. “They have tremendous experience on licensing deals and turning brands and shows into really good products, like Bridgerton**,” she said, adding that the As Ever staff is in contact with Simon’s CPG team daily.’

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/meghan-markle-says-a-dating-app-helped-her-pivot-branding-for-as-ever

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The brand launched under a week ago. Isn't it a tad premature for her to call it a 'success'?

And I don't believe there are 10 full time employees working for 'As Ever'. If there were, wouldn't at least one of them have been able to design a logo which fits on the label?

Mylovelygreendress · 05/04/2025 10:39

Is As ever trademarked ?

AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 11:00

IcedPurple · 05/04/2025 10:34

The brand launched under a week ago. Isn't it a tad premature for her to call it a 'success'?

And I don't believe there are 10 full time employees working for 'As Ever'. If there were, wouldn't at least one of them have been able to design a logo which fits on the label?

My thought, is that’s 10 wages to pay for.
They are going to have to shift huge volumes for her to make decent money at this.

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AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 11:00

Mylovelygreendress · 05/04/2025 10:39

Is As ever trademarked ?

Don’t think so. Think it’s pending.

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IcedPurple · 05/04/2025 11:15

AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 11:00

My thought, is that’s 10 wages to pay for.
They are going to have to shift huge volumes for her to make decent money at this.

Or any sort of money at all.

Mylovelygreendress · 05/04/2025 11:15

AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 11:00

Don’t think so. Think it’s pending.

Thanks . Does that mean someone else could swoop in and grab the name ? I don’t really understand how these things work !
I was in M and S Foodhall earlier and looked at their jars of jam . Meghan’s is very small in comparison.

AtIusvue · 05/04/2025 11:23

I think you could use the As ever name
until it’s TM, but you can’t copy the branding/boxing/font etc, as that would be ‘passing off’

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MinionKevin · 05/04/2025 11:25

The boxes just remind of the corporate Christmas boxes DH got from work. Just need some chocolates and a mini bottle of port.

My2cents1975 · 05/04/2025 13:40

IMHO, Netflix amended the initial 5 year production contract with H&M. I suspect that the production budget for the cancelled projects has been turned into a callable investment in the lifestyle brand under Netflix's Consumer Products (CP) division.

Netflix has been merchandising content via licensing agreements since almost its inception and opened the online store back in 2021. Until M, no other contract employee had exposed the leadership team at the CP division. Shonda (Bridgerton producer) certainly doesn't talk about CP even though CP has showered Shonda with an avalanche of money! Shonda has kept to her lane of producing highly watched tv shows and has stayed out of the way of the CP team, by keeping her mouth shut and letting the CP team shine.

M is a disaster at the soft sell. By dragging the CP team into the spotlight, the social media eco-system that feeds on her drama will start digging. I doubt the CP team wants their entire merching process scrutinized by various individuals from different backgrounds and specialties deconstructing the CP's procurement and delivery process end to end.