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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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Mightymoog · 20/03/2025 19:15

BasiliskStare · 20/03/2025 18:55

@Lifestooshort71 - Thank you for that timely reminder that we should be unduly criticising MM and not just "hanging out" and having a good time wherever the conversation takes us. 😂💐 Anyone would think <whispers> that we don't actually hate her 😊

Shush, we'll get kicked out if we say that

BasiliskStare · 20/03/2025 21:10

@StrawberryWasp I was intrigued to look at Cost co - don't have one near me but I like your bowls and I thought these below were nice . Not for me for everyday at the moment but there are lots of lovely things out therefor reasonable prices if you do but look aren't there? Not de elevating the thread at all

https://www.costco.co.uk/Home-Kitchen/Kitchen-Dining/Dinnerware/Tramontina-Abstratta-Dinnerware-Set-12-Piece/p/535607

@glitterturd I am old enough to get the pampas grass reference ( though I have never partaken myself - either had a pampas grass or used it for signalling ) - upside down pineapple is a new one on me. 🍍. 😂

glitterturd · 21/03/2025 00:28

Mightymoog · 20/03/2025 18:51

there's a lot of sex people on this thread if cabbage bowls are the new pampas grass

It's not sex ! It shows you are on MN 😂

BemusedAmerican · 21/03/2025 02:22

Evil to she who evil thinks 😆

prelovedusername · 21/03/2025 06:42

I watched Pamela Anderson’s lovely cooking show last night on YouTube. I can come back to how genuinely appealing the food looked, how generous, humble and warm she was with her guest chefs and how little merching was in evidence.

My point here is that she made a Haitian Pineapple Upside Down Cake.

Now I’m wondering…

AtIusvue · 21/03/2025 10:30

What I thought was weird about that- was how earth would Ted know that Hermes blankets sold out after the show?

His team reads the DM and informs him?…..or is it Meg trying to hustle a deal, trying to show her influence. Like the NYT article for the handbags investment, where she said- she can have so much impact with ‘ like an earring or something’

How sad, that Megs is trumpeting and linking herself, to selling out a tacky blanket . That’s what’s she’s used to convince NF to invest in her As ever company. Embarrassing

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BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 11:53

@Atlusvue. WWD said clicks on the blanket rose 500% after the Meghan trailer https://wwd.com/feature/hermes-throw-blanket-avalon-cost-details-meghan-markle-1235436389/. I would expect them to know more than TD But it has also featured in Sex&theCity and in various celeb homes. So yes it may be sold out but this is sort of a well known product of Hermes which over the years has had much publicity. & yes the latest bit was that trailer. But I believe Hermes don't comment on individual sales figures for product & I suspect their runs are limited.

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What to Know About the Viral Hermès Avalon Throw Blanket in ‘Harry & Meghan’ Netflix Documentary Trailer

The Hermès Avalon Throw Blanket has gone viral after appearing in a teaser for the upcoming Netflix docuseries, 'Harry & Meghan.' What to know.

https://wwd.com/feature/hermes-throw-blanket-avalon-cost-details-meghan-markle-1235436389/

IcedPurple · 21/03/2025 12:53

BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 11:53

@Atlusvue. WWD said clicks on the blanket rose 500% after the Meghan trailer https://wwd.com/feature/hermes-throw-blanket-avalon-cost-details-meghan-markle-1235436389/. I would expect them to know more than TD But it has also featured in Sex&theCity and in various celeb homes. So yes it may be sold out but this is sort of a well known product of Hermes which over the years has had much publicity. & yes the latest bit was that trailer. But I believe Hermes don't comment on individual sales figures for product & I suspect their runs are limited.

Clicks and sales are two very different things.

Hermes are an ultra exclusive brand. They shun the use of celebrity 'ambassadors' and famously you're not guaranteed one of their iconic Birkin bags even if you're an A lister appearing on an elite red carpet.

A blanket of the type Meghan had on the show costs well over a grand. That's not the type of money you drop just because you saw something on a NF 'documentary'. And to be frank, if you needed such a show to make you aware of Hermes goods, then you're very likely not in their demographic.

AtIusvue · 21/03/2025 13:53

Also it just looks like Meg has been buying the basic Hermes items….the sandals and the blanket…in order to be invited to buy one of the bags that are exclusive.

You have to build up to the Kelly’s or the Birkins. They won’t sell to you unless you have an established relationship with them. You have to build up a catalogue of purchases.

She really is a Kardashian.

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jeffgoldblum · 21/03/2025 13:56

She only wishes she was a Kardashian @AtIusvue!
however you may view them , they are who they are through their own efforts! Kim Kardashian is famous and rich on her own, she doesn’t need to be elevated by a man.

BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 13:59

@IcedPurple - I may not have been clear but I meant yes - huge no. of clicks which does not necessarily translate into "add to basket" . So someone can obviously measure the clicks but Hermes are the ones who can comment on individual product sales and they don't. Yes the product may have been sold out at some point after the series but it is a well known item apparently & I think some made in limited runs. TD can't truthfully say it sold out because of Meghan. He can't know. Whether she said it to him or not who knows. I think he is reaching there though.

I'm not sure it was even a good "example" to use - given that thus far they are helping her with pancake mixes inter alia.

IcedPurple · 21/03/2025 14:04

BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 13:59

@IcedPurple - I may not have been clear but I meant yes - huge no. of clicks which does not necessarily translate into "add to basket" . So someone can obviously measure the clicks but Hermes are the ones who can comment on individual product sales and they don't. Yes the product may have been sold out at some point after the series but it is a well known item apparently & I think some made in limited runs. TD can't truthfully say it sold out because of Meghan. He can't know. Whether she said it to him or not who knows. I think he is reaching there though.

I'm not sure it was even a good "example" to use - given that thus far they are helping her with pancake mixes inter alia.

Yes, Hermes don't need 'help' to make their products "sell out". They're all made in very limited runs and they have a very loyal, and very rich, client base.

Anyway, if Meghan just needs to be seen using a product for it to sell out immediately, then why haven't any of the big fashion houses snapped her up? Why, 5 years on from finding freedom, is she peddling cake mix and edible flowers?

Mylovelygreendress · 21/03/2025 14:04

AtIusvue · 21/03/2025 13:53

Also it just looks like Meg has been buying the basic Hermes items….the sandals and the blanket…in order to be invited to buy one of the bags that are exclusive.

You have to build up to the Kelly’s or the Birkins. They won’t sell to you unless you have an established relationship with them. You have to build up a catalogue of purchases.

She really is a Kardashian.

Would she not expect a freebie ? After all she is The Duchess of Sussex!!

AtIusvue · 21/03/2025 14:11

It’s part of their appeal. That they are exclusive to everyone. Think that’s why it’s coveted. You have to spend years and crazy money to be invited to buy certain bags.

It’s why the Kardashians own so many- they then get invited to buy the uber exclusives that only a few would ever be offered.

So in a way, it’s confirmation of your status….that you have to drop ££££££s over the years, to then be the owner of an ultra exclusive bag that others aren’t offered.

So far it only looks like she’s stretched to the sandals and blanket. Both of which are available to anybody.

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Baital · 21/03/2025 14:44

Most famous people embrace the factors that made them famous.

Meghan is famous for marrying into the RF, but has turned her back on the RF.

That leaves an interesting gap in her PR campaigns. Because the only reason for opportunities such as WLM is something she has complained about. But has nothing - no particular talent - to put in its place.

Yes, there are plenty of 'lifestyle' shows - presented by people with a talent for presenting, or cooking, or making their guests look and sound good. But Meghan doesn't have any of those talents, she is famous because of who she married, but the saleable gossip from her marriage is finished.

Hence WLM getting the attention it does. Because it exposes her limits, whereas other lifestyle shows (however 'fluffy) are hosted by people who have a talent for that sort of content.

MrsFinkelstein · 21/03/2025 14:47

BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 10:05

Ted Sarandos are taking ab ut how M&H shouldn't be dismissed & Meghan more culturally significant than people think ( my words - may not be correct - article below)
Does he believe this or bolstering up WLM / As ever - maybe a bit of both

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14515869/netflix-ceo-talks-meghan-markles-future-second-season.html

Getting very much..."We have full confidence, and they have our full support". Sacked/resigned within a week.

Proof will be if the contract is renewed.

Baital · 21/03/2025 14:53

I had a car journey a number of years ago with a colleague, who was surprised that I chose 'cheesy pop' music to listen to. I pointed out that any genre of music has good and bad. Just as the bad symphonies and concertos have been forgotten, the bad cheesy pop will be forgotten. But the good will be played for decades to come.

The problem for MM isn't that she has a fluffy lifestyle show. Is that she has a bad fluffy lifestyle show.

JADS · 21/03/2025 15:19

The problem for MM isn't that she has a fluffy lifestyle show. Is that she has a bad fluffy lifestyle show.

@Baital I agree with this. With figures of just 2.5 million (compared to 1.9 billion - Running Point, Mindy's new show), people aren't even hate watching. The best people can say is that it is boring. I've seen You Tubers making the 1 pot pasta meal - most are trying to be positive, but it gets described as bland. No one wants that.

I feel sorry for the production team because WLM is visually stunning and well produced. The content is just dull.

Hermes has it's sales policies and guerilla marketing. It creates a buzz, it means crazy rich people buy bags they don't want for fear of being blacklisted. It's completely crazy! I don't think Meghan's beige blanket on the H&M show had anything to do with that. Ted is some what delusional to say Meghan is a cultural phenomenon, unless it's the ongoing backlash against celebs.

EsmaCannonball · 21/03/2025 15:34

Ted Sarandos knowing that the Hermes blanket sold out after being featured in the victimfest documentary rather suggests that its strategic presence was paid product placement. Harry and Meghan are basically walking advertising hoardings these days.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 21/03/2025 16:02

That green waffle was Jack Monroe levels of unappetising food photos.

It also, weirdly, reminded me of the late Queen. The hair.

BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 16:11

@EsmaCannonball - I'm not sure that was paid product placement - I don't think Hermes really go in for that sort of thing. I suspect Meghan placed it prominently because Hermes are an ultra luxury brand. (It's also seen over the back of the chair where she and Harry work - although to be fair she might have two of them).

IcedPurple · 21/03/2025 16:16

BasiliskStare · 21/03/2025 16:11

@EsmaCannonball - I'm not sure that was paid product placement - I don't think Hermes really go in for that sort of thing. I suspect Meghan placed it prominently because Hermes are an ultra luxury brand. (It's also seen over the back of the chair where she and Harry work - although to be fair she might have two of them).

Not sure about the 'work' part, but she did have the blanket strategically placed in the video she made for the short lived '40 x 40' project. Helpfully, the Hermes logo was clearly displayed facing the camera so there could be no doubt that the Duchess was not messing around with cheap blankets!

Meghan’s show IS something new and different.
My2cents1975 · 21/03/2025 16:23

Based on their pre-Oprah reputational capital, it was a no-brainer for Netflix to sign H&M. H&M complemented Netflix’s existing “royal” content (Bridgerton and The Crown) and IMHO executives likely anticipated behind-the-scenes footage of real royals interacting with H&M. But H&M destroyed their relationship with the real royals while developing a track record as high expense, low revenue, loss-making contract employees whose non-royal gossip projects flopped.

IMHO Netflix most likely converted a milestone payment to some sort of collateral against which H&M are borrowing to fund the lifestyle brand launch, but Netflix is not operationally involved (marketing, sales, sourcing, production, distribution, etc.) – hence the “passive investor” comment.

If the brand succeeds, Netflix makes money. If it fails, Netflix gets back the collateral. H&M can’t complain of lack of Netflix support…they can wheel out Ted’s compliments (“M sold out Hermes” is a statement originally announced by the Sussex camp so H&M are hoist by their own petard).

GiveMeSpanakopita · 21/03/2025 16:24

IcedPurple · 21/03/2025 16:16

Not sure about the 'work' part, but she did have the blanket strategically placed in the video she made for the short lived '40 x 40' project. Helpfully, the Hermes logo was clearly displayed facing the camera so there could be no doubt that the Duchess was not messing around with cheap blankets!

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Ahhh, not that photo again. I can't get past the placement of the laptop on those piles of folders (books? trays?). How is she meant to type anything? And yes yes I know she wants the camera to be high up because goddess forbid Meghan should appear onscreen with the old 'double chin' angle so common to Zoom calls. But again, would that really matter? The project wasn't about her, it was about doing service for others?

I do loads of client calls on Zoom and don't give a monkeys about the double chin angle - it's more important that I can TYPE notes and pull up plans and documents as we talk. The client's not meeting me for my (long gone) looks but for the professional value I can add.

Surely it was the same for 40 x 40?

Also, what happened to that project? It's the one project of Meghan's that I felt was genuinely original and interesting, and although it may not have had much PR value, it could have had legs and done some good if managed properly. And sure you could get PR out of it too. Is she carrying it on behind the scenes or has it stuttered to a halt?